Surefire M1 Tri Rebel Mod

nekomane

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I was finally able to get my hands on an M1.

Dissasembly is documented in other threads so I'll just post new stuff.



I tried punching out the press-fit polycarbonate lens, but it wouldn't budge.

By the time I gave up, it was deformed a bit so what the heck...



...Drill away..!

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Free at last..

There is a ridge which retains the lens securely.

From what I could tell, there was no adhesive on this part.

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The o-ring under the lens is the same size as the one between the bezel and body.

The latter has some thread locker residue which is difficult to remove, and/or may have been damaged by the heat when cracking open the parts.

The lens o-ring will be a perfect replacement. How convenient.

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Boring out the business end and adding threads for a bezel ring:

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I'm clueless with emitters and electronics, but was intrigued by the Arc LS Tri-Rebel mod by spc

and had a few parts ordered.

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The emitters are neutral white Rebels on a 20mm star wired in parallel. I originally planned to use a 3 speed board but forgot all about it when designing the heatsink ha ha, so this time around only direct drive. There is plenty of room for a driver. Maybe next time.



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The collimator is a frosted Carclo 44 degree.

The lens is from an Arc4. 22.61mm/T2.4mm, polycarobonate.

Not having anything else, I utilized the aforementioned lens o-ring but it is too small and too thick. I need something like a 22mm/T1.2mm, or maybe cut a gasket?

The bezel is an after market product (can't remember the source, but it's nice and low profile).

Other 1/32tpi bezels like the SS trit-slotted one by PEU, and SS by Leef fit too, but there is a slight variation to the threads and fit is not the same.



Machined Al can:

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The positve lead threads through the can from top and connects to the spring.

The ground path is secured by a small screw.

Spring assembly is machined from Delrin with a protruding ridge to protect the spring from touching the ground path.



Finished!

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For the finishing touch, I added a black HA tailguard from a run I did a few years ago.



The stock M1 is one of those oddball Surefires which is useless for us who don't kick down doors and fight the bad guys.

The most critical duties this modded light will likely see are midnight fridge raids and toilet missions, but it was great fun.



Hope you enjoyed :)

neko
 

nekomane

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*Following posts were reconstructed after CPF crash Feb 2011*

2.11-22-2010 08:25 PM #2
F250XLT

Nice to see something out of the ordinary done to the M1, good job.

3.11-22-2010 08:48 PM #3
nekomane

Thanks!
There isn't much you can do to this light without opening up the bezel a bit.
Of course the mod is irreversible too.

4.11-22-2010 10:43 PM #4
nekomane

Just found this post in the Show your Rare/Unusual SureFires - Part 2 thread.

Funny to see others wanting to do something with this light.
Very cool how the parts from the Icon were used. Whoever did this mod,
Last edited by nekomane; 11-23-2010 at 09:45 AM.

5.11-22-2010 11:27 PM #5
toby_pra

Very nice mod, and very unique...like this M1 very much!

Was it you own?
Greetings from Germany
Toby

6.11-23-2010 05:37 AM #6
jamesmtl514

Nice M1.
I kind of regret selling my Milky M1. It's such a beauty.
See my lights with photos I'M DONE. Please name the light when you post a picture of it.

7.11-23-2010 09:47 AM #7
nekomane

Originally Posted by toby_pra
*snip* Was it you own?
Yep its mine. I couldn't risk destroying someone else's

8.11-23-2010 09:59 AM #8
Mettee

Thats sick!

9.11-24-2010 06:13 AM #9
foxtrot824

Plus 1 for the triples!

10.11-28-2010 09:23 AM #10
nekomane

I am happy with this mod, but would like to upgrade to more recent technology.

Can someone suggest a driver/LED/optics combination I can use on a non-rechargable battery?

The board must be under 18mm, and I prefer a simple 2 or 3 level.
I have a 17mm "140/1,000/2,800mA board for the Cree Mc-E and Seoul P7" from Shiningbeam but am not sure how it will work on a single CR123.

:help: and thanks.

11.12-06-2010 06:01 PM #11
nekomane

No replies so I guess there are not many options for a primary 123?
What if I use a 18650 and this board?

12.12-06-2010 06:31 PM #12
red_hackle

Great looking mod - will have to build my own drop-in as well some day.

You don't happen to have another one of those tailgards left by any chance?

13.12-07-2010 05:50 AM #13
nekomane

Originally Posted by red_hackle
You don't happen to have another one of those tailgards left by any chance?
No, I don't sorry. The one shown in the pic is the last one I am keeping as a sample.
If there is enough demand, I *might* do another run, but it will have to wait for anoter year

14.12-07-2010 08:43 AM #14
KevinL

Originally Posted by nekomane
I am happy with this mod, but would like to upgrade to more recent technology.

Can someone suggest a driver/LED/optics combination I can use on a non-rechargable battery?

The board must be under 18mm, and I prefer a simple 2 or 3 level.
I have a 17mm "140/1,000/2,800mA board for the Cree Mc-E and Seoul P7" from Shiningbeam but am not sure how it will work on a single CR123.

and thanks.

These are all AMC based boards. The AMC chip acts as a linear regulator, and the battery must be able to supply enough juice to keep the current going. If it isn't capable of that (and 2.8A out of a CR123 is doubtful), the light will not reach full power. Also, Vin must exceed Vf, so single CR123 is definitely out of the question unless you want something that never runs in regulation

If you upgrade to 18650, all options are on the table, including the other board you've mentioned. It's also an AMC board with 4 chips instead of 8 for half the max current.

For a true pocket rocket, 3 x XP-G on a parallel star with the 2.8A board. Approximately 900mA per LED.... 1K lumens

Alternatively, for easier wiring, single Cree XM-L on a star. The XM-L is rated up to 3A so that should be no problem at all. 900+ lumens and lower Vf for more efficiency
Last edited by KevinL; 12-07-2010 at 08:45 AM.
Celebrating the ROP.. 5 years of history

15.12-07-2010 03:04 PM #15
nekomane

Hi Kev, Thanks for your advice.
To me, AMC is a company that built automobiles, and Amps are the boxes you connect guitars to

PM incoming.

16.12-29-2010 09:33 AM #16
nekomane

I ordered a Tri XPG and some other stuff.

Before Boring
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Boring in Progress
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After Boring
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Now I notice the 18650 takes up too much space to accomodate a driver..
Waiting for a 18500. Progress is slow

17.12-29-2010 01:35 PM #17
HarryN

Hi - nice progress actually. It's nice to see a project as it goes along, not just all at once.

Just curious - what boring setup did you use for that ? Reason I am asking, is that I am looking for my first boring bar setup in the .3 - .4 in dia range. Ideally, carbide bar with an insert.

Thanks
Harry

18.12-29-2010 04:02 PM #18
nekomane

Thanks Harry,
I'm watching some other build logs in this forum and find them very interesting too.

The boring bar is a 3/8" Indexable purchased 18 months or so ago. The specs may have changed since then. Mine has different markings.

It is not carbide, but does the job for short boring on aluminum. The insert is carbide.
For better advice, I'd ask the pros in the machining forum

EDIT: OK, looks like you've already done this.

19.01-23-2011 05:14 PM #19
nekomane

Now I have an AW protected 18500, and will be using the 140mA-1A-2.8A board from Shingnbeam.
The same tri Rebels were used. Saving the tri XP-G for something else.
Other stuff like teflon wire, wire cutters, o-rings, UCL lens were orderd and ready to use.
I have never used a multimeter as much before either. This is getting out of hand

Housing for the board machined from Delrin.
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Added some threads to the innards. Now the heatsink is secured.
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Wiring up the battery, board and LEDs. Yay! it works :)
The star gets hot very quickly on Hi.
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Beamshots
All shot at ASA400, WB Daylight, 1/6 f5.6.
Left is a Sunwayman V10R at the highest setting on a primary CR123 (Not the best light to compare, but I'm not going outside tonight again, it is way too cold).
Right is the M1 mod on 2.8A.
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As you can see, not much throw but lots of flood. It easily lights up an entire room with a warm light. It gets hot quickly on 2.8A, so I guess the heatsink is working.

This might look like a clean mod, but there are some messy parts which you just don't see.
When adding the heatsink threads, the jig cold welded with the bezel threads and messed them up pretty badly. I tried cleaning them up a bit and the bezel ring still fits, but you have to be careful to avoid cross threading.
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Lots of manual labor too. I hate chopping stock rods. Several heatsinks were junked too.
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Thanks to KevinL for advice :wave:

Last edited by nekomane; 01-23-2011 at 07:41 PM. Reason: Added pic

20.01-23-2011 08:11 PM #20
blackbalsam

That is very nice work and great beamshots also. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Very cool, and hi Darkzero. I've heard lots about you but never seen you post before. 





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darkzero

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The mod gods still wander the Sacred Halls of CPF-mod-dom. :bow:

So where is this place? Or is that a secret? I tried to go there once, when I got on the boat, they gave me the stare, then kicked my *** into the eel infested waters! :crackup:

I miss drooling over all the artistic, complex, & exotic mods. :(
 

tobrien

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i may have to get this done! I just picked up an M1 Illuminator from the MP.

I may go with triple Nichias however or a single XM-L(2) or XP-G2, but we'll see. nice work buddy!
 
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