Armytek Predator (XP-G2 R5) & Predator X (XM-L U2) [ 1x18650, 2x(R)CR123A ] Review

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Armytek Predator (XP-G2 R5) & Predator X (XM-L U2) [ 1x18650, 2x(R)CR123A ] Review

The revised model line, Predator v2 & Predator X v2 are available with an upgraded emitter, variable bezel types, and build. They are tactical lights that run on 1x18650 Li-ion (or LiFePO4) or 2x(R)CR123A batteries.

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The packaging is basic, but a solid cardboard box. The both lights come packaged between two pieces of styrofoam, with a holster with closing flap, removable stainless steel clip, lanyard, rubber grip (attached), rubber ring instead grip, tailcap rubber switch boot, two spare O-rings, and very detailed user manual. (The manual is available for download on Armytek website.)
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Manufacturer Specifications from user manual :

• Constant brightness for whole operation time
• Fully programmable settings to fit your needs
• Excellent tactical flashlight for Hunting
• Ultra-transparent and tempered glass with anti-reflective and lens coating
• The transparency of the glass is 98-99%.
• The flashlight is designed on the basis of the new-generation electronic driver S-Tek™
• The current stabilization types are entirely changeable through the user menu: full stabilization (FULL), simple semi-stabilization (SEMI), stepped stabilization (STEP).
• Firefly mode 0.1 lumens, working for 130 days with 1x18650 Li-Ion battery.
• Advanced electronic protection from incorrect battery installation, without reducing the efficiency of the driver
• Constant and smooth light output. Important notice: no irritating flickering effect.
• The S-Tek™ driver, due to a built-in sensor, constantly monitors the temperature of LED and the electronic circuit and will prevent the LED overheating in extreme environments.
• The voltage supply selection allows using the cheaper batteries without protection board (PCB), for example: LiFePO4 or Li-Ion.
• Indication of battery voltage at user's request (ex.: 3 blinks - pause - 6 blinks = 3.6 Volts).
• The automemorization of the last used mode can be turned on or off.
• The ability to save the user's individual settings in the Custom preset.
• The ability to reset of all settings of the flashlight to those built-in by the manufacturer (Military or Outdoor presets) or to the user's saved preset (Custom).
• To ensure functionality in difficult conditions, the electronic driver of the flashlight is placed in a special aluminum capsule and has been completely covered with a durable compound. This actually protects it from both the environment and from mechanical damage.
• Body material: aviation-grade aluminum T6061-T6.
• Water resistance standard: IPX-8 (the highest)
• Two silicone O-rings are installed at each side of the battery tube of the flashlight.

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The anodizing (seems type III) is a very matt black and consistent throughout with no damage or blemishes of other faults to be found on my samples. There are letterings & identification labels on the head, battery tube, and tailcap. All they are sharp, clear, and bright white against the black background. There is no real knurling to speak of on the light, but grip is good (i.e., much better than expect), thanks to the unique anodizing finish. The grip is on the end of the battery tube.
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The light has 3 parts (i.e. head, battery tube, and tailcap).
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The Predator comes in a choice of stainless steel bezel types (flat or crenellated) & color (black or gold or silver), and my review sample is the black crenellated bezel allowing light to shine through when left placed head down.
There's no cooling fins on the head. The light has an O-ring & extra L-ring of a specific shape between the bezel and reflector. There is a raised positive contact disc in the head, so flat-top 18650 batteries should work fine. There is an outer golden connection ring for detecting head tight/head loose. The user manual says the light has reverse polarity protection to protect from incorrect battery installation (i.e., the electronics of the Predator & Predator X have in-built reverse polarity protection.)
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The light uses ultra-transparent (transparency : 98~99%) and tempered AR coating lens. The purple hue is reflected on the lens of the Predator, and the greenish blue hue is reflected on the one of the Predator X respectively. It seems the greenish blue reflections on the Predator X are due to the internal reflections of the light from LED and green board bouncing off the reflector. The aluminum reflector has a smooth pattern and is very deep. Surface finish on the reflector was perfect from visual inspection, and each well-centered LED sits at the bottom of the reflector cup.
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The head has only some shallow radial lines & six long flat faces mainly for aesthetic effect. There is a raised ring machined around the rear area which has six shallow flat faces on it which serves well as an anti-roll feature, and also provides good grip for twisting body.
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The battery tube (i.e., body) has a clean cylindrical design with two flat faces machined on where manufacturer name & model name are printed. The body lacks knurling to speak of, but grip is much better than expect. I couldn't find it is slippery even when twisting the body with wet hands. The surface finish is unique and very good. Armytek claims the thickness of the anodizing is 60~70μm which is much thicker than most other lights (20~30μm).
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The screw threads are standard triangular-cut. Threads on both ends are well machined, with those on the rear end being anodized which allows the light to be locked-out when the tail cap is slightly loosened. There are double O-rings on both ends. As supplied, threads on both ends are well lubricated. Threads on either ends on the body mate well with the head and tailcap with no issues of cross-threading or grinding.
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The wall thickness of the body is thick, and the light feel solid.
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The rubber grip is removable and is on the end of the battery tube. It can be removed after removing the O-rings on the body first. It also works as a good anti-roll device, and helps with holding the light in a cigar style grip. You can put the rubber ring on the body instead of the rubber grip. The grip has a hole for lanyard attachment. However the thickness of the rubber grip is too thick to insert the small split-ring into it. So I had to use the lobster-claw for lanyard attachment, by detaching the split-ring from it.
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The tailcap switch is a forward clicky. The negative terminal at the tailcap has a strong elastic spring covered with a metal flat disc to increase surface contact area and have no risk of scratching battery. There are no holes allow you to unscrew the metal ring to access the switch. You can access by unscrewing the outer stainless steel ring on the tail end. Due to the protruding forward clicky, the light can't tailstand. The switch has average tension with short travel and tactile clicking feedback.
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User Interface

The most distinctive aspect of the Predator & Predator X is the user programming interface with an extremely wide range of constant output modes and various flashing modes. There are two factory presets and one user's preset. You can make your own preset for output levels, the number of output modes, the strobes frequency, the battery types, the type of output regulation (stabilization), the type of auto-memorization.

You can check the battery voltage in the light for any line (i.e., First or Second line). The voltage indication depends on the output level of the mode.

The light is turned on/off by the forward tailcap switch (i.e., press for momentary on, click for lock on). There are two lines (First line & Second line), and the output modes are arranged in two lines. Head tight means "First line", and head loosened means "Second line". To change the output modes, loosen/tighten the head in the First line, while you have to tighten/loosen the head in the Second line.

In the First line, you can change any of those constant output modes to any level from Firfly to Maxmum (i.e., three types of Firefly, and any output level from 1 to 100%), by using continuously-variable ramping interface.

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To select the output level in the first line, turn the light on with head tight. Loosen the head, wait until the switch to the Second line, and then quickly tighten the head, wait again until the switch to the First line, and then quickly turn the light off/on. Note that all the above has to be done within 3 seconds. The light will begin ramping from Firefly to Max. output, which takes about 50 seconds in total. (i.e., the light will demonstrate three types of Firefly one after the other during 10 seconds. Then within 40 seconds, a gradual increase in output will take place with a double blinks at 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% output). Once Max. output is reached, the light restarts at firefly and cycles through again as you can see the above. You can select and memorize the output mode by a quick loosen/tighten head within 1 second. The predator & Predator X have a quite the same continuously-variable ramping interface as shown in the above graph.

You can access the Setup Menu from the Second line only. To enter the Setup Menu in the second line, turn the light on with head loose. Tighten the head, wait until the switch to the First line, and then quickly loosen the head, wait again until the switch to the Second line, and then quickly turn the light off/on. Note that all the above has to be done within 3 seconds.

There are 5 Sub Menus (or 5 items) as follows :

Item 1. Current Second Line Mode Selection & Setting
1) 3 types of Firefly or any output from 1 to 100%
2) Strobe
3) Beacon
4) SOS

Item 2. Factory Defaults Reset & Custom Saving
1) Military (by default)
2) Outdoor (by default)
3) Custom

Item 3. Selection the power source
1) 2xCR123A 3V (lithium batteries, minimum voltage 2V)
2) 1x18650 Li-Ion 3.7V (Li-Ion rechargeable battery, minimum voltage 2.8V) - by default
3) 2xRCR123A Li-Ion 3.7V (Li-Ion rechargeable batteries, minimum voltage 5.6V)
4) 1x18650 LiFePO4 3.2V (LiFePO4 rechargeable battery, minimum voltage 2.5V)

Item 4. Setting up the First Line
1) Number of modes : 1 ~ 10 modes
2) Method of automemorization the last mode
2-1) Turn automemorization on - by default
2-2) Turn automemorization off
3) Type of stabilization
3-1) FULL : Full stabilization on all modes and types of power source - by default
3-2) SEMI : Semi-stabilization
3-3) STEP : Stepped stabilization

Item 5. Setting up the Second Line
1) Selection the number of modes : 1 ~ 5modes
2) Method of automemorization the last mode
2-1) Turn automemorization on - by default
2-2) Turn automemorization off
3) Type of stabilization
3-1) FULL : Full stabilization on all modes and types of power source
3-2) SEMI : Semi-stabilization - by default
3-3) STEP : Stepped stabilization

[New 13.03.04]
You can use the 2 Factory default presets (Military & Outdoor) for Predator X :

1. Military
- First line : 670lm --> 6lm --> 108lm (Full Stabilization)
- Second line : Strobe 15hz --> Firefly 1.5lm (Full Stabilization)
2. Outdoor
- First line : 540lm --> 108lm (Full Stabilization)
- Second line : Strobe 15Hz --> 6lm --> Firefly 1.5lm (Full Stabilization)
Note that the all above lumens are LED lumens, neither OTF lumens nor ANSI lumens.

In the above Item 3, the seclection of the power source is necessary and very important for the correct indication of the low battery.
For example, if you set 2xCR123A for unprotected 18650 li-ion, the light will let you know the signal of the low battery voltage at around 2.0V. (i.e., your unprotected 18650 will be drained or discharged to 2.0v). [New 13.03.04]
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From left to right, VicLite 18650(2600mAh) protected, Rofis TR31, Armytek Predator, Armytek Predator X, Xtar TZ58, Nitecore P25.
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The head size & light weight excluding battery of five lights are as follows :
TR31 - 39.7mm / 165g, Predator - 39.5mm / 163g, Predator X - 39.5mm / 165g, TZ58 - 40.2mm / 134g, P25 - 40mm / 172g
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It is good size to hold and can be used as an tactical light. Overall grip is fine.
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Measured Dimensions & Weight

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The light comes with a basic nylon holster with a velcro strap on the head (both lights are the same). The elastic at the side gives a nice snug fit. So the light fits in the holster either head-up or head-down. It has a loop allows to carry it in horizontal position.
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The CR123A & 18650 fit well in the body. All types (i.e., true flat-tops, wide and small button-tops) of 18650's work fine on my sample. Overall build quality is excellent.
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PWM

1. Predator

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2. Predator X

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The lights show no sign of PWM at any output level. Both lights are constant current controlled as the manufacturer claims. I notice there is no buzzing sound at any levels.
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Runtime

I have tested on only maximum output for three different stabilization (regulation) with protected 1x18650 (2600mAh) li-ion. Of course, the runtime will depend on stabilization pattern, battery types, and output levels.

1. Predator

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The runtimes for 10% of max. output are as follows :
1) Full stabilization : 69 min.

2) Semi stabilization : 147 min.

3) Step stabilization : 142 min.

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2. Predator X

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The runtimes for 10% of max. output are as follows :
1) Full stabilization : 68 min.

2) Semi stabilization : 124 min.

3) Step stabilization : 144 min.

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3. Predator & predator X


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Full stabilization shows very nicely flat regulation with a sharp drop & completely turning off at the end of run. I think that drop & turning off are due to my battery's protection circuit. Armytek confirm me that the light has the signal of the low battery voltage or a high temperature of LED. It blinks 3 times every 60 seconds. If the user is not reacting to the warning blinks (e.g., does not switch the light to a lower mode to save energy or reduce temperature of LED), then when the critical levels are reached (i.e., low voltage or high temperature), the light automatically switches to the Firefly mode. Therefore the user retains control of the light. However, one must understand that when the battery is fully discharged, even in the Firefly mode, the user loses control of the light.

The light doesn't turn off near the depletion of the battery in Semi & Step stabilization. It runs longer time with gradually decreased output or step-by-step decreased output as shown in the above graph. If you don't want to lose your way in the dark suddenly or unexpectedly, use the light by selecting Semi or Step stabilization.

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Relative Output Comparison

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Both lights have a very nice Firefly mode which is very useful. [New 13.03.04]
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Beamshot

1. White door beamshot for Predator & predator X

- ISO100, F/4.0, 1/400sec, Auto white balance

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- ISO100, F/4.0, 1/800sec, Auto white balance

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- ISO100, F/4.0, 1/1250sec, Auto white balance

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2. White door beamshot with other lights

- ISO100, F/3.5, 1/500sec, Auto white balance

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- ISO100, F/3.5, 1/800sec, Auto white balance

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- ISO100, F/3.5, 1/1250sec, Auto white balance

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3. Indoor beamshot (about 7m from the target)

- ISO100, F/2.8, 1/4sec, Auto white balance

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- TR31
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- Predator
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4. 55m Outdoor Beamshot

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- Control Shot
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5. 60~65m Outdoor Beamshot

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- Control Shot
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  • Predator & Predator X supplied by Armytek for review. Thanks!
 
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Great review bud!:)
 

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Thanks for the support. firelord777! :)


Have added [New 13.03.04].
 

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Nice review! Love my xp-g2 version.
 

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damn, all photos are gone :(

edit; AND!! they are back again :D
 
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damn, all photos are gone :(

I moved the above photos to another directory, but I forgot to set up that link. My bad! :thinking:

Just set up that link! ;)
 

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That XP-G2 has a nice beam.
 

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I have a barracuda i purchased yesterday online, seems to be 1390 lumens now,instead of 1160>? the lower lumen model is discontinued on armytek site, anyone know how long it takes them to ship to florida?,,,,yeah maybe i should find a barracuda thread, thanks
 

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I have a barracuda i purchased yesterday online, seems to be 1390 lumens now,instead of 1160>? the lower lumen model is discontinued on armytek site, anyone know how long it takes them to ship to florida?,,,,yeah maybe i should find a barracuda thread, thanks
Interesting your light seems to be 1390 lumens instead of 1160 LED lumens. I haven't heard of that lumens. :confused: Did you check out the user manual?
You may want to find the followings:
http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?275157-Armytek-Barracuda
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?349465-***Pictures***-Armytek-Barracuda-(XM-L-U2-thrower-1160-LED-lm)
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?354301-Object-Subject-Review-Armytek-Barracuda
 

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good job!
 

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Light & Optics


Maximal light output: 1160 lumens 1390 lumens
Beam distance: 547 yd 547 yd
LED: Cree XM-L U2 Cree XM-L2 U2
LED Tint: Neutral White 5500K Neutral White 5500K
Optics: Smooth reflector Smooth reflector
thanks for the links,,i guess its because of a different emitter,, great review,i will be getting a preator also:thumbsup:
 

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Light & Optics


Maximal light output:
1160 lumens
1390 lumens
Beam distance:
547 yd
547 yd
LED:
Cree XM-L U2
Cree XM-L2 U2
LED Tint:
Neutral White 5500K
Neutral White 5500K
Optics:
Smooth reflector
Smooth reflector
thanks for the links,,i guess its because of a different emitter,, great review,i will be getting a preator also:thumbsup:

I didn't know there is XM-L2 version. That version will be great. Thanks for your information, and hope you will like it. fireonhigh! :)
 

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I gave in to temptation and ordered a Predator X xm-l2 U2 gold crenellated from hkequipment on ebay ... can't wait to get it!

An Eagletac G25C2 was a close second choice, but the lack of output modes really tipped the scale in favor of the Armytek, despite a minute decrease in max output.
 

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Considering the head diameters are similar, I wonder why the P25's and TR31's beams appear so much nicer than the X in the photos? As much as Armytek likes to state that their reflector is computer modeled etc. it almost appears that the XP-G2 and XM-L use the same reflector, i.e. similar sized beams, but the larger emitter produces more flood with a less focused hotspot. The P25 and TR31 reflectors produce a fairly decent hotspot with a nice wide spill that combines the high intensity of a decent hotspot (and decent throw), with good spill for quickly assessing the surrounding area, i.e. they have reflectors that appear to be specifically designed for the larger emitter (as does the Olight M22), but the P25 and M22 UI's leave something to be desired for my requirements.

If they could produce a reflector that had a beam like the P25 (very nice beam, but I dislike the user interface) with the new XM-L2, this light would be perfect for my needs with it's great configurability.


Max
 

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Considering the head diameters are similar, I wonder why the P25's and TR31's beams appear so much nicer than the X in the photos? As much as Armytek likes to state that their reflector is computer modeled etc. it almost appears that the XP-G2 and XM-L use the same reflector, i.e. similar sized beams, but the larger emitter produces more flood with a less focused hotspot. The P25 and TR31 reflectors produce a fairly decent hotspot with a nice wide spill that combines the high intensity of a decent hotspot (and decent throw), with good spill for quickly assessing the surrounding area, i.e. they have reflectors that appear to be specifically designed for the larger emitter (as does the Olight M22), but the P25 and M22 UI's leave something to be desired for my requirements.

If they could produce a reflector that had a beam like the P25 (very nice beam, but I dislike the user interface) with the new XM-L2, this light would be perfect for my needs with it's great configurability.


Max

I agree TR31 & P25 have decent hotspot, and they have more focused & smaller hotspot than Predator X (i.e., Predator X has much bigger sized hotspot). I assume it's because Predator X has relatively deeper reflector than others. Armytek said Predator X has XM-L reflector. I saw Predator XM-L2 U2 version is available now on CPFmarketplace. I also wonder whether the new version has more focused & smaller hotspot with wide spill or not.
 

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Just received my Predator X XM-L2 U2 ... I was on the fence with about 4-5 flashlights for at least 6 months, but this review really convinced me of what I wanted and what light would deliver what I was looking for.

I couldn't be any more satisfied. The light looks and feels great, is easy to use, easy to program once you've played around with the menus for 10 minutes and the quality of the beam is the best of any flashlight I've ever owned.

Now I just need to figure out how I'm going to program the 2 lines ... it's like walking into a restaurant that has a 20 page menu you can't decide because everything looks good.

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Just received my Predator X XM-L2 U2 ... I was on the fence with about 4-5 flashlights for at least 6 months, but this review really convinced me of what I wanted and what light would deliver what I was looking for.

I couldn't be any more satisfied. The light looks and feels great, is easy to use, easy to program once you've played around with the menus for 10 minutes and the quality of the beam is the best of any flashlight I've ever owned.

Now I just need to figure out how I'm going to program the 2 lines ... it's like walking into a restaurant that has a 20 page menu you can't decide because everything looks good.

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Thanks for your feedback. marcham! Looks great. I agree and understand there're so many options for your needs to program the 2'nd line. That's the most important & nice function in the light. :thumbsup:
 

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Yeah got predator x today was supposed to get the latest v2.5 xpg but ended up receiving the x v2.0 xml instead didnt really want all the programing that goes with this model but ended up programing line 1 and 2. The sub menues how do access them read through countless posts but cant seem to get my head around it. I know you access it through line 2 but after changing strobes how do i access them and just one more thing is its battery selection is 18650 by default thanks tony Worked it out found someone who printed it out
 
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Re: Armytek Predator (XP-G2 R5) & Predator X (XM-L U2) [ 1x18650, 2x(R)CR123A ] Revi

Yeah got predator x today was supposed to get the latest v2.5 xpg but ended up receiving the x v2.0 xml instead didnt really want all the programing that goes with this model but ended up programing line 1 and 2. The sub menues how do access them read through countless posts but cant seem to get my head around it. I know you access it through line 2 but after changing strobes how do i access them and just one more thing is its battery selection is 18650 by default thanks tony Worked it out found someone who printed it out
It's very interesting to program the light as you want. First of all, I would highly recommend you see the very simple manual and find the v1.2.
If you change strobe, just exit that sub menu-1 by turning off the light. Then you can enter into the sub menu-2. Note that each sub menu is independent.
1 blink means sub menu-1, and 2 blink means sub menu-2, and so on. Hope this will helpful to you.
 

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Re: Armytek Predator (XP-G2 R5) & Predator X (XM-L U2) [ 1x18650, 2x(R)CR123A ] Revi

It's very interesting to program the light as you want. First of all, I would highly recommend you see the very simple manual and find the v1.2.
If you change strobe, just exit that sub menu-1 by turning off the light. Then you can enter into the sub menu-2. Note that each sub menu is independent.
1 blink means sub menu-1, and 2 blink means sub menu-2, and so on. Hope this will helpful to you.
Exellent thanks candle lamp yeah that simple manual makes life a bit easier :thumbsup:
 
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