KL3 mods, has anyone done one?

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Has anyone modified a KL3 bezel? This looks like a great heat dissipater making it potentially a great host for a Luxeon V, imo.

Can anyone point me to others work with this head? Thanks.
 

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I've modified a few, I know Chop and I think LEDmodMan have successfully gutted KL3's. It does very well with a Luxeon III at an amp or more due to the fins and also the 5W. But I wouldn't bother with the 5W--you should just get the L5 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The KL3 is a bit more complicated to disassemble since you need to access it from *both* sides if you want to do any circuit modifications. I highly recommend a Lux III mod for this thing. It runs very cool even at 1A which is probably four and a half watts depending on your LED. I sold one with a Pelican reflector in it and am now regretting it. But Chop is coming to my rescue /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif with his PR mod.

If you need advice on modding it, feel free to PM me.


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There's a few threads posted by Chop/CM/LedModMan about modding the KL3. Most mods are with Luxeon III's, since you need to run with 3x123 to properly drive a Luveon V. I've done a few myself (both Luxeon III and Luxeon V's) based on CM's work from this thread.

Chop is currently offering the Luxeon III mod (see Custom B/S/T forum). It is a tricky mod, but very rewarding.

I use a McFlood reflector in my 5W KL3 instead of optics since I can't stand the dark spot you get when you use a Luxeon V with optics.
 

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The KL3 is a great mod host. I've done several ramped up to about 1.3A and they kick booty. The Pelican reflector is a good reflector to mod the KL3 with. It's relatively easy to fit. It's a little time consuming when doing more than one, but it's worthwhile. You could use a 1.3" Carley reflector, but it's a lot more work to get it to fit. It does throw farther though. Still in all, I like the PR.

As far as I know, CM's the man on KL1 and KL3 (among others) mods, but I've also done a few. If you need anything, PM me.
 

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With encouragement from CM and others, I've decided to try this mod myself.

Great community here when so many offer their expertise for no financial reward. I'm very grateful.

I'll try to keep a log and photo collection to show what went wrong, or right.
 

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Fred,

Just make sure you ask, if you're not sure. Things can quickly go wrong.
 

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Can we make this into an interactive mod?

Here's what CM sent on how to remove the retaining ring:

First, you must remove the ring to release the lens and optic. I use a good needlenose and wedge it against a pair of opposing indents. Use a hair dryer first to soften the epoxy. If you have acetone, a good soaking helps a bit before you apply the heat. Be extra careful as the plastic retaining ring is easily marred. Secure the head in a vise with rubber grips to make the job easier. Once you get the bezel ring off, the lens and optic should pop out. You now have access to the LED.

KL3a.jpg


As you can see, those indents are pretty small. Looks to me like it could be quite easy for those needlenose pliars to slip!

Anyone else want to contribute their removal suggestion?
 

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I'd like to add to the above. I use a heat gun, rather than a hair dryer. Just heat and try the needle nose. It WON'T take any force at all, once the heat gets the epoxy to let loose. Just heat a bit and try. If it isn't enough heat, just add hit it again for 10-15 seconds and try again. You don't want to over heat it. Believe me, when the epoxy lets loose, you'll know it.

I have yet to mar a retaining ring, well maybe just a little. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I think that heat is the trick.

Once you get the top end guts out, desolder the LED and remove it.

When you get this far, post and I'll (we'll) follow up.

BTW, do you have the resistors that you'll need?
 

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Here's my suggestion:

1. Soak the bezel end of the KL3 in 95 degree C water for 3 minutes to loosen the thread locking compound.

2. You can cut a flat or angle of aluminum to span and fit two opposing notches of the bezel ring.

Here are a couple of pics of the home made tools for dismantling the KL3. The tub wrench is made from 3/4" steel pipe.
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I also used a cut aluminum plate and succeeded in opening the bezel without scratch. I would recommend it if you are afraid to open it with the pliers.

FYI, I uploaded some information of the similar KL3 mod on my KL3 mod page. The information on my page doesn't address this specific issue, but may help a little to complete your mod.
 

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You really don't need to get so extravagent, although those tools look nice. The only reason that I use needle nose, is just to get a grip on the ring. I've also done it with toothpicks. If you get the head heated sufficiently, the epoxy WILL break loose. In my experience anyway. If you're using tools to be able to put more torque on the ring to get it loose, then you haven't heated it enough. I've found 175 degrees Faren. the be the magic number.

If you don't have a heat gun, I would suggest getting one. If you're gonna mod, it will be indispensible. I use mine on just about every mod that I do and it makes life easier.

But of course, there's always more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not saying that my ways the best, it just works for me.
 

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Took a little bit of advice from everyone to get the retaining ring removed. First, I made a tool out of aluminum to span across the lens. Then I used a heat gun to soften the epoxy. I found that with just some paper wrapped around the far end of the head that all that was needed was to gently turn the ring to loosen.

Here's what it looked like:

KL3b.jpg


And once the ring was out of the way, you can see that nice thick lens:

KL3c.jpg


And finally, getting to the emitter:

KL3d.jpg


Next up is to desolder the emitter, as CM advised here:

. Once you get the bezel ring off, the lens and optic should pop out. You now have access to the LED. You want to unsolder the leads from the LED and proceed to the next step. Make sure you observe polarity when you come back to re-assemble the light.

I presume that by observing polarity, that CM means that I should make sure that I solder the positive anode of the emitter to the small pad where the red wire is presently connected, right? The positive anode being observed to have the tab next to it with the little hole in it.

Now, I need to get a very good soldering iron, one with temperature regulation and obviously one with some very fine tips. Any suggestions guys?
 

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Looking good!

A grounded 15 or 25 watt pencil iron is adequate for what's required for this mod. The most complicated soldering being done is adding the extra resistors to r47.

You can pick one up at Radio shack for $15-$20.
 

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As far as soldering stations go, I use two of these...

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307

Having two makes rebiasing a circuit a lot easier. Plus I can have one with a narrow tip and one with a wide tip available at all times. They're cheap enough and the support from these guys has been great. What's wild is that replacement wands are only like $12 and they come with a tip.

Now back to the mod. Nice pics by the way.

Regarding the resistors. Yes, you do have to run another resistor in parallel with the current sense resistor (.47 ohm). What I've done in the past is to also run another .1 ohm resistor on the inductor sense resistor. I get like 800mA this way and haven't had any problems.

If you need a few resistors, PM me. I just restocked.

OK, desolder the emitter from the pads. Once the emitter is free remove it. Now, heat the center of the KL3. If you look down into the bottom of it, you'll see some holes that you can use to grab the circuit housing and contact post. I use needle nose pliers for this. Again, once you get it hot enough, the epoxy will give way. Once it starts to turn, watch the wires up top. You really don't want to twist them too much. As you unscrew the post the wires will start to spin. When they stop spinning, they're starting to twist. At this point, use some small needle nose or tweezers to coax the wires into the hole. Once you have the wires in the hole and they are no longer getting hung up on the upper portion of the head, you can unscrew the post all the way.

With the post removed, use a small jeweler's file (or similar tool) to gently and carefully scrape the protective coating from the solder joints of the resistors you are going to parallel. All Surefire circuits have the protective coating and you CANNOT solder through it.

You're there. Find the .47 ohm resistor and do your magic. I'd add one to the inductor sense too. I'm no electronics engineer, but I think this is what CM told me. BTW, CM's the man when it comes to these Surefire circuits.

I usually stop and 1 resistor a piece. It gives me about 800mA. Nice, bright, not much heat, and good runtime.

When you go to put the post back together, it get a little tricky. You want to kind of loop the wires in a manner so that you'll be able to "fish" them through the hole when the post is almost all the way seated. This way, you have no worries about twisting something off. Just watch not to get the wires wrapped around the toroid. You don't want to tear that off.

When you get all of the electronics back together again, you could put the emitter back with just some thermal compound on AA it to the head. Be warned though. If you use AA and don't center the LED in the reflector properly, you'll be kicking yourself. Just using thermal epoxy is a more forgiving method. Just make sure that the lux is making good contact with the head to get the heat out.

Now the reflector. If I remember correctly, I turned a total of 70/1000's off of the outside diameter. That's 35 notches on lathe crank. Remember, divide by two when reducing diameter. Believe it or not, there have been small variances in reflectors/KL3's, or maybe it's just me.

In any case, you may just want to test fit yours as you go. I also take about 50/1000's off of the face to give a nice flat surface to sit against the lens. After you get the reflector fitted, find an o-ring that just fits around the reflector, but sits a little higher than the rim of the reflector. Now when you tighten down the lens with the ring, the lens will come into contact with the o-ring and compress it a bit until the reflector touches the lens. It seems to me that this should be pretty water tight. Unless you plan on going back to an optic, I'd use some sealant on the ring.

Voila, BAD A$$ light.
 

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kj,

Man it's late over here. You are completely right. A spacer needs to go between the floor of the KL3 and the bottom of the reflector. I'll go measure the ones I made up tomorrow and post the results.
 

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Chop wrote:

OK, desolder the emitter from the pads.

Remember guys, you're dealing with a real newbie here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif

Will I need one of those solder removal bulbs that suck up the hot solder, or should I use some solder wick that I've seen mentioned, or neither of those options?

Thanks for the advice on the soldering irons. Just have to make up my mind now.

Chop: You're running ahead of me here. I'm a one-step-at-a-time type of guy, so I'm focused on just removing the LED and the electronics.

In fact, I haven't decided yet if I want to do the mod that you and CM have done, or whether I want to replace the SF board with something like a DB917 or higher. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif
 
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