LEO'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

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brightnorm

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LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

Is pepper spray really effective?(actually a stream, based on what I've seen) This is slightly off-topic of lights, but I work at night and feel relatively secure walking home with my Asp Taclite and Mace brand 10% pepper spray. Am I kidding myself?

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

The percentage ratings on the label has nothing to do with the effectiveness/strength of the pepper sray. Look for the "S.H.U." rating somewhere on the label/canister. Find one that has a rating of 1.5 (million) and upward. This relates to the actual strength of the agent.
I'm sure there are others who can explain it better than I. Also you have to consider what are you looking to defend yourself from?
If you're worried about whacked out, drug-crazed maniacs, then maybe a bazooka would be better. Or, if like myself you worry about a mugging or a random act of street violence then the spray is not a bad choice, the element of surprise will be most helpful too. Don't let them know you got it, and when you have to, blast it in their face. After which you should rely on my tried and true ultimate defence tactic, RUN LIKE A HELL!!
 

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

I looked for the S.H.U. rating and could not find it. This is "Pepperguard" manufactured by the Mace corporation.

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

Actually 2 million Scoville Heat Units or SHI is even better than 1.5 million. The SHU is the measure of "hotness" if you will. The percentage has more to do with how long it will affect the person. Basically pay no attention to it. The Mace brand is pretty good at 2 million SHU. There are actually 4 types of delivery systems. Stream, fog, cone shaped spray, and foam. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages.
Streams have a bit more distance, especially in the smaller containers, can be aimed at just one person, are the most wind resistant, and are good indoors and out. However they only affect the eyes of the target, there is very little inhalation. They also have to be aimed more than the others. If you need to use it, keep it close and spray it in an "S" shaped pattern across the person's face and shoulders. This will help make sure that you get it into his eyes.
Fog is the best patter from large containers and outside. The larger container (2 oz.) ensures it has enough propellant to carry it at least 5 or 6 feet (2 meters or so). It is the easiest to hit the person in the face, and it will be inhaled, adding to it's effectiveness. However it is easily blown by the wind, and is not too good to use indoors.
A cone shaped spray is a compromise between the above two patterns. The larger droplets aren't as easily blow about by the wind, yet they can still be inhaled by the subject. It is less likely to be spread by a building's HVAC system. This is a pretty good compromise.
Foam is best for indoor use. It has the least chance of cross contamination. You can spray a person in a room, and not have to clear out everyone there. Unfortunately the foam has to get into the person's eyes.

I know that this has been long., but I want you to have an idea of what is out there so you can make up your mind based on your particular circumstances. Many people that sell it have no idea what they are talking about, and only wnat to make a sale.

Mace, Fox, ASP, Guardian, Punch, are all good quality brands, with a good reputation for quality. Keep away from the stuff you'll find in the grocery or auto parts sotres (unless they are a name brand). Replace it if you ever use it, and when it gets close to it's expiration date. Use the old cannister for practice.

Yes, it is effective, usually. Like anything else it's not 100%. Spray, move spray again if needed, and run like h3ll! Even if it's not totally effective it might make him not want to chase after you.
 

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

Thank you, Unicorn, for being so thorough and detailed. This is very helpful.

How did you find the SHU values of those brands?

Best regards,
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If you plan on using "Man in a Can" in a confrontation, I advise you to get the hell out of there as soon as possible. Pepper spray may make the assailant more aggressive. Some may even grow a tolerance for this stuff. Trust me, I know several PT instructors and classmates in the academy who actually get off on pepper spray. To give you an idea on what it feels like, if you haven't experimented already, it's like having your face melt for an hour or pressing two HOT irons on your face for a long period of time and when it dries up it reactivates the moment you step in the shower(Ahh, the memories...)
 

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brightnorm:
Thank you, Unicorn, for being so thorough and detailed. This is very helpful.

How did you find the SHU values of those brands?

Best regards,
Brightnorm
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The rating should be printed on the unit or it's label. I would be wary if it's not on there.
 

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

OC spray works on some people wonderfully, on others barely at all. I would consider it like having a good left jab (or maybe a good straight right). You might get lucky and knock someone down with it, but more likely it will open up an opportunity for you to do something else ... like run, or follow up with a strike, etc. I use Fox Labs OC, at 5 million SHU. From the threads I've been reading, guys in law enforcement seem to think this stuff is a lot more effective than its 2 million SHU cousins. I'd prefer a cone spray but the Fox Labs units are streams.

The taclite isn't going to stop anyone, but it's still useful. It can temporarily blind someone, allow you to identify threats, etc. Again, good left jab. Just don't depend on it knocking someone down or out.

In regards to your last question, I think you're better prepared than the vast majority of people, and perhaps the best thing the light and OC spray could do is keep you aware of your surroundings. But if you think those things will keep you safe, without proper awareness and fighting skills, and a more serious defensive weapon, then I do think you're kidding yourself.

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Re: LEO\'S & Security folks: How effective is pepper spray?

Joe T. I admit I felt slightly let down after reading your excellent and knowledgeable response, because I'm wondering what to do now. I'm in my mid-sixty's, not in the greatest health, and I live in a city with the strictest gun laws in the country. I mean STRICT!

My self-defense options seem to be very limited; even my ability to "run like hell" is impossible due to back injuries. I thought about stun guns, but they require close contact and I could imagine zapping myself.

Some people have suggested that OC spray can be a liability because it may merely enrage some people. Your point about increased awareness is well taken, and maybe that should be my main focus.

I'd be grateful for any other ideas you might have for me.

Thanks again, and thanks to all who responded

Best regards,
Brightnorm
 
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