Sold/Expired 2-1/2D M*g powered by 6x168S Pila

[fivemega]

Kevin Tan said:
FM, Can the batts holder center rod be lenghten to 150mm?

I'm thinkin that 3s x 3p of 17500 or 150s will fit in the barrel n run the 1185.

With 17500-1.1Ah = 50 - 55 min
With 150s -1.0Ah = 40 - 45 min

Can oso run the 1166 for SO MUCH, longer dare i say 100 minutes!!!!

Theres oso the possibility of loading in 123 in 4s x 3p for 12v, 3.9Ah !!

I think that maybe 5s of 123 can fit if the spring is changed! Run the 1166 with v dropped to 12.5v for 900lumens for nearly 2 hrs!!!
I tink i need help!!!

Kevin,
It is possible to use any length of center rod but how these can fit in 2-1/2D body length?
You will need 4D body to accomodate 3x3 168S
Not many machinist can bore out that length with reasonable price.
Using 12x123 is possible but 15x123 will flash WA1166.
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PoliceScannerMan said:
Does the batt. holder come w/ batts? (I'm thinking no.)

PoliceScannerMan,
Price of each Pila is about price of battery holder.
So battery adapter does NOT come with any battery.
BTW, using 3 cells in each holder is not necessary but recommended.
You can even use one cell per holder if using lower current bulb.
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StoneDog said:
Will these holders accept 2x123 in place of a 168s? If so this light would pack 12v @ roughly 3.9ah, right?

I ask because that would bring the start-up price down a bit. Someone (like me) that had just caught the hotwire bug would have to fork out some $$ for 6x168s (>$144) or protected 17670 (>$80?). But a dozen 123's can be had for $12 + shipping. If it's a flashaholic "wow-factor" light, well, the long term benefits of rechargeable li-ions may not be realized. This assumes a decent PR-based bulb is available in the 10-11v range, of course.

Jon

StoneDog,
Finding a PR based 10-11v range will not be problem because every hot wire shoud and will have Bi-pin to PR socket.
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Trashman said:
Best to go with AW's protected cells, though, for a few dollars more. Of course, Pilas are *the best*, but expensive.

Trashman,
100% agree.
AW's protected cells (6x17670) work perfectly with WA1111 simply because load for each cell is about 1.2 amps.
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JimH said:
FM,

Do you have any plans for a 2 x 168s parallel battery holder. For some unknown reason I seem to have D size Maglites coming out of my ears. It would be nice to get some use out of them without having to get them bored.

Jim,
Using 2 cells in parralel will limit current draw down to 2/3 compare to 3 cells.
To use high current bulb such as "big D Pelican", you will need stack of 3 in each battery holder.
Using 2 or even 1 cell in each holder is possible but will limit current draw and capacity, also will effect run time and battery life.

 

[Kevin Tan]

FM, am planning on using the shorter pila 150s. Its only 53mm in length, or the 17500 barecell, 50mm. Like ur 2x123 but with longer rod, use 3x 17500 or 3x 150.

Can I get 2 more LOP please?

 

[fivemega]

Kevin,
It is possible to use shorter center rod for 3x150 but won't fit correctly in 2-1/2D length.
Remember, 3x1400=4200 mAh vs 3x1000=3000 mAh
Or 3x1600=4800 mAh vs 3x1100=3300 mAh

 

[andrewwynn]

I think that Kevin wanted to triple stack 17500s in ONE holder... that idea really intrigues me.. 10.8V just like 3 series i have in the 1 1/2D.. 3x3 with a really long rod down the center and some clever bit of balancing to hold them in unless you could part with a couple of the end caps... basically making a 9-cell holder but uses 17500 vs 17670s.. just one holder vs two.. would it fit in a 2 1/2 or a straight up 3D?

I have used my 168x3 adapter with a broken part.. the spring pressure and the grooves in the body keeps everything perfect, just a little big of balancing to put them in.. so you would not really need to put in a different rod.. if the length works out.. you can carefully insert the batteries using gravity as your friend.. especially easy with the parallel configuration 'cause no way to mess up the polarity.

I have a 3D using 9AAs now with an 1185 in it.. nice stuff.. i would love to have LiON and in the 3x3 stack i could even charge with my smart charger... but i'd probably take over a day to charge holy cow that's a lot of batteries.

So.. i guess me and Kevin are wondering... can you fit 3x17500 in a single holder stacked like you have the 123s? Or.. could you do the same with the 17670s and ONE holder and get them to fit in a shorter (2D size) light?

-awr

 

[Kevin Tan]

Bingo!! U gotit Andrewyynn

Its doable with 17500 but a bit difficult without paying thru ur nose for the groove cutting for a 3 1/2 D mag ( as mentioned by FM above ). Max u can fit into a 3d mag is 191mm with a near flat spring.

67mm (17670)x 3 + 14mm(holder) = 215mm , add 9mm if using 168s.

Wat i'm thinking of doing is 3 stacks of 3x17500;

50mm (17500) x 3 + 14mm (holder) = 164mm , add 9mm if using 150s

FM, if I'm not mistaken, the length of 2 holder with 168s is 168mm +- 2mm end to end so the spring will take care of the slack.

 

[Kevin Tan]

FM, pp sent.

Was just wondering if anyone here have a spare or know where to get a Duratrax ICE charger? I have considered the Triton, but I'm more into li-ions.

 

[Lurveleven]

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1 Pewter#3 2-1/2 D $50
2 battery holders $64
1 Potted axial $12
1 LOP reflector $20
1 Boro lens $5
1 Potted Strion bulb $6

Sigbjoern

 

[ophelan]

Hello...I'm a bit of a newcomer here (I've lurked and drooled for awhile, but haven't posted. I'd like to pick up one of these, but wanted to get some clarification about the bulbs:

WA1111 is 880 lumens for 11.2 hours
WA1274 is 550 lumens for 40.0 hours

Where does the custom axial bulb fit into the picture, and what are the pros/cons to the bulb?

Also, are these potted bulbs a specialty item that I won't be able to find again later (should I stock up on plenty now)?

Thanks guys,
Ophelan

 

[Trashman]

Hi ophelan,

WA1111 is 880 lumens because it's being overdriven. At spec (6v), it outputs 464.95 lumens. (see link in Lurveleven's sigline!) 11.2 hours is the lamp life. At spec, the lamp life is 100 hours, but the overdrive lessens the bulb life.
The WA1274 outputs 550 (about)lumens at spec (7.2v), but when overdriven in light with 8.4v, the output increases to 948 lumens! (wow, I just read that on Lurveleven's Welch Allyn link....I had no idea!) At 7.2v, the lamp life is 40 hours, but overdriving the bulb to 8.4v shortens the bulbs life to only 6.3 hours.

I'm not sure about the overdrive specifications of the custom axial bulb, but one characterist is that it has a nice round and smooth beam, and a larger hotspot.

Hope this helps!

 

[alauda]

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1 Black#3 2-1/2 D $50
2 battery holders $64
2 Potted WA1274 $16
2 Potted WA1111 $20
2 Potted axial $24
1 LOP reflector $20
1 Boro lens $5
Int shipping $18

Many thanks again.

 

[ophelan]

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Alright, I'll just try all the bulbs.

1x Flashlight (Black #7) $50.00
2x Battery holder $64.00
2x Potted WA1274 $16.00
4x Potted WA1111 $40.00
2x Potted Axial $24.00
1x LOP Reflector $20.00
1x Boro lens $ 5.00
Shipping $ 8.00
Insurance $ 2.20

Total of $229.20 sent.

 

[bwaites]

FiveMega,

If I wanted to run Pilas in a 2D body, (I have one already triple bored for the carrier.) Can I get 2 carriers with 150's in them in a 2D?

Is there another LiIon option that would work?

If so, do you have that carrier available?

Bill

 

[Lurveleven]

Bill, I don't understand the point of getting a 2D instead of the 2-1/2D. But I guess you can turn a 168S adapter into a 150S adapter by shortening the rod by about 15mm (but be careful to not cut it too short).
Is the 2D body one of those CR123 bodies Litho123 had made? I have one of those and the Pila 168S adapters does not fit in those, because the bore is a little bit different.

Sigbjoern

 

[bwaites]

Sig,


It is, that's interesting. I thought that was the purpose of that bore pattern.

Is it not quite a big enough bore?

Bill

 

[fivemega]

Bill,
These bodies are bored out way more than to accept 3 Pilas. Actually batteries never touch each other or the flashlight body to prevent any short.
Extra deep boring will cause damage on tail cap O'ring touching surface, So I used oversized O'ring to componsate difference.
As Sig mentioned, it is possible to shorten the center rod to use Pila 150Ss and in this case total length of this carrier will be 65mm which is longer than "D" size cells.
Since 3 cells are connected in parallel, each cell has about 1.2 Amp load using WA1111. So there in no problem using AW's protected 17670
And yes, I do have some extra battery holders if you want to try or those who want to have spare one or to use in 1-1/2 M*g 700L for Luxeon conversion.

 

[fivemega]

Red #1 bobbo paid and shipped
Red #2
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Black #1 xraydoc paid and shipped
Black #2
Black #3 alauda paid and shipped
Black #5 Phased_Array paid and shipped
Black #7 ophelan paid and shipped
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Silver #1 Kevin Tan paid and shipped
Silver #2 max52 paid and shipped
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Pewter #2 bobbo paid and shipped
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There are some more available.

 

[MorpheusT1]

FM,

Will AW`s 18650`s fit in that battery holder?


Benny

 

[fivemega]

FM,

Will AW`s 18650`s fit in that battery holder?


Benny

There is no way to accomodate 3x18mm cells across in D M*g body.
AW's 18650 protected cells diameter are 18+mm
Aw's 17670 protected cells works fine in this setup.

 

[Kevin Tan]

Thanks FM, got my stuffs today. Tried a quick test with the potted 6v avial bulbs on 7.2v new uncharged batteries, wow!!! Very nice hotspot with an even corona. On LOP its as good as the SF hotspot but smaller. Now I am debating wether to use the 1185 or not!?!? Decisions, decisions!!!

Am now charging the 17670 barecells, lets see how good it is with charged lions against the FM1D with 1331 !!!

Initially i have misgivings about potted bulbs as most of them canot be centered like wat u can with a bipin. But the axial potted bulbs are a totally different beast!! no more bowties or solar flares!!! Now to see if it will exihibit the tendency to blow apart like potted 1185, seemingly because of the potting process.

 

[XFlash]

Pay Pal Sent
1 Black#2 2-1/2 D $50
2 battery holders $64
International Shipping 18.00
International Ins 5.00
Total: 137.00
Thanks