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It would be nice in the summary to put a note next to each result if the result has an exceptional circumstance to it. For instance, the Energizer 2100s on the Triton are my result - but those are from 3-year old cells. Putting that note next to the result would preven people from getting a wrong idea about the capabilities of either the Energizer cells, or the Triton charger.
 

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Eight brand-new AA Eneloops after Breakin cycle at 2000mah capacity setting on C-9000:
2011
2024
2008
1998
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Evan,

We can run with the assumption that cells rated at a lower capacity are probably older cells. I will put a disclaimer on my post.

I don't know anything about the Triton charger. Does it perform the IEC standard for capacity analysis?

I've also seen other professional results posted, not necessarily from a production charger. I don't know how to fit them into my summary.
 

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Eight brand-new AA Eneloops after Breakin cycle on C-9000:

Good results. That brings my average up. I assumed you capacity at 2000 mA*h (the only one for Eneloops to date)
 

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I have done many Eneloop batteries in the Break-in Mode in my C9000. The capacity results have been great! Here are my latest 4 results of Eneloop batteries--
1-2004Mah
2-2047Mah
3-2020Mah
4-2026Mah
All the results were over the rated 2000Mah capacity.
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EngrPaul said:
Evan,

We can run with the assumption that cells rated at a lower capacity are probably older cells. I will put a disclaimer on my post.

I don't know anything about the Triton charger. Does it perform the IEC standard for capacity analysis?

I've also seen other professional results posted, not necessarily from a production charger. I don't know how to fit them into my summary.

Yes, you can configure the triton to charge/discarge with the IEC capacity rating protocol. My results were from that.
 

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Hi,
I just did a Break-in mode on 4 Powerex 2700Mah batteries.
Here are the discharge capacity on the batteries-
1-2695Mah
2-2776Mah
3-2761Mah
4-2720Mah
As you can see the results are great!! The batteries were 6 months old.
Dan
P.S.- I am using the Maha C9000 charger.
 
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Results for Duracell AAA 1000mah using C9000:

1. 938mah
2. 980mah
3. 961mah
4. 1009mah
5. 975mah
6. 959mah
7. 960mah
8. 1004mah


average of the 8: 973 or 97% of rated capacity.

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Don't forget to tell me which charger you're using :)
 

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Here is MY contribution to the thread, using twelve GE/Sanyo AA Eneloop cells and a Maha MH-C9000 charger. First off, the factory packing, cleanliness of the unit including a flawless LCD display, overall build quality, and features set of this unit......are outstanding. The LCD display is very big, and all of the annunciators are large enough for even the oldest eyes. One last point, before I hit you with my numbers. As of Friday 1/12, I was told that the place from which I bought it http://www.thomasdistributing.com still has about 300 chargers in stock from their 1/8 shipment.

Now to my findings......
My first string of tests used the Refresh/Analyze function, where the charger charges a cell at a user selected current level, allows it to rest for one hour, discharges it at a user selected current level, allows it to rest for one hour, and finally charges it like before at the same charge rate. My charge current was 1,000mA. My discharge current was 500mA. I will be initiating a Break-In cycle later today, and report back here when it is done in a few days.

Refresh/Analyze sequence:
Capacity calculated by charger at end of discharge cycle.
Cycle duration is length of time during final charge.
Start V of cell.....Capacity (mAH).....Cycle duration (mins.)
#1 = 1.331...............1991.................263
#2 = 1.331...............1962.................263
#3 = 1.331...............1944.................256
#4 = 1.331...............1974.................262
#5 = 1.339...............1922.................252
#6 = 1.339...............1926.................254
#7 = 1.339...............1947.................255
#8 = 1.338...............1985.................260
#9 = 1.297...............1945.................257
#10 = 1.297..............1938.................257
#11 = 1.297..............1938.................255
#12 = 1.297..............1916.................252


 
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C9000 "Break In" mode

Rayovac AAA Hybrid 800 mAh:


Individual: 810, 806, 809, 793


Average (of 4): 804 100.56%


Out of the package (500mA discharge): 609, 606, 618, 598
 
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OK, I'm done testing the Duracell 2650 NiMH AA cells, and here are the results:

NiMH AA Cells

Test Procedure: I tested 4 AA cells. I formed the cells with a Sirus Pro Former at 0.1C for 16 hours. I then ran them through 5 discharge/charge cycles on a Duratrax ICE charger. Discharge rate was 0.5C charge rate was 0.7C. Final charge was at 0.7C with a 0.05C trickle charge for 6 hours. The final test discharge was at 0.2C to 0.9V per cell after a one hour rest. Numbers are averaged into one number below.

Duracell 2650

2451

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Four more new Eneloop AA - Breakin cycle on C-9000, set to 2000mah:
2021
2012
2108
1967
 

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Hello again, all!

I just completed my first Maha MH-C9000 charger Break-In sequence with 8 of my 12 AA Eneloop cells. It lasted 39 1/2 hours from start to finish. For those not familiar with this charger or this sequence, here is what transpired in the above time:
1. I set the capacity to 2,000mAH, which is necessary so that the charger can determine the charge/discharge currents.
2. Charger set first charge cycle at 0.2C = 400mA for 16 hours.
3. Charger rested for 1 hour.
4. Charger set discharge cycle at 0.1C = 200mA for 5 1/2 hours.
5. Charger rested for 1 hour.
6. Charger set second charge cycle at 0.2C = 400mA for 16 hours.

For comparison reasons, I copied my findings from the
Refresh/Analyze sequence taken from post #50 above. Notice how the Break-In sequence rendered higher capacity ratings than the Refresh/Analyze sequence!

Refresh/Analyze sequence:
Capacity calculated by charger at end of discharge cycle.
Cycle duration is length of time during final charge.
Start V of cell.....Capacity (mAH).....Cycle duration (mins.)
#1 = 1.331...............1991.................263
#2 = 1.331...............1962.................263
#3 = 1.331...............1944.................256
#4 = 1.331...............1974.................262
#5 = 1.339...............1922.................252
#6 = 1.339...............1926.................254
#7 = 1.339...............1947.................255
#8 = 1.338...............1985.................260
#9 = 1.297...............1945.................257
#10 = 1.297..............1938.................257
#11 = 1.297..............1938.................255
#12 = 1.297..............1916.................252


Break-In sequence (capacity set at 2000mAH):

Capacity calculated by charger at end of discharge cycle.
Cycle duration (mins.) is length of time during last discharge, at the end of which the capacity is calculated.
Start V of cell.....Capacity (mAH).....Cycle duration (mins.)
#1 = 1.405...............2126.................350
#2 = 1.403...............2096.................350
#3 = 1.403...............2073.................341
#4 = 1.404...............2106.................348
#5 = pending.....................................
#6 = pending.....................................
#7 = pending.....................................
#8 = pending.....................................
#9 = 1.430...............2089.................343
#10 = 1.429..............2081.................344
#11 = 1.430..............2081.................340
#12 = 1.431..............2071.................340

I will add the results of cells #5, #6, #7 and #8 tomorrow. Looking good so far, is it not? Eneloops are one of the few cells that can boast exceeding their advertised capacity. Is anybody impressed by the consistency of capacities between the 8 cells? I am!

Jeff


Correction....
Was:
Cycle duration (mins.) is length of time during final charge.
Is: Cycle duration (mins.) is length of time during last discharge, at the end of which the capacity is calculated.



 
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Testing done on C9000, in break-in mode:

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[b][i]Sanyo AA 2700 (brand new)[/i][/b]
[u]CELL[/u] [u]Cap (mAH)[/u] [u]Time (min)[/u] [u]Voltage[/u]
  1	2685	   327	   1.42
  2	2702	   332	   1.42
  3	2677	   328	   1.41
  4	2690	   331	   1.42
  5	2639	   321	   1.42
  6	2676	   329	   1.42
  7	2695	   330	   1.42
  8	2670	   329	   1.42

[b][i]Sanyo AAA 1000 (brand new)[/i][/b]
[u]CELL[/u] [u]Cap (mAH)[/u] [u]Time (min)[/u] [u]Voltage[/u]
  1	 911	   300	   1.41
  2	 912	   304	   1.41
  3	 919	   305	   1.41
  4	 880	   294	   1.41

[b][i]Sanyo AAA 900 (used)[/i][/b]
[u]CELL[/u] [u]Cap (mAH)[/u] [u]Time (min)[/u] [u]Voltage[/u]
  1	 850	   310	   1.40
  2	 859	   317	   1.39
 

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Four Eneloop AAA's - Breakin cycle on C-9000 set at 800mah capacity:
852
844
852
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My last 4 AA Eneloop cells completed the Break-In sequence. I copied the results for the other 8 cells from post #54.....

Break-In sequence (capacity set at 2000mAH):
Capacity calculated by charger at end of discharge cycle.
Cycle duration is length of time during last discharge, at the end of which the capacity is calculated.
Start V of cell.....Capacity (mAH).....Cycle duration (mins.)
#1 = 1.405...............2126.................350
#2 = 1.403...............2096.................350
#3 = 1.403...............2073.................341
#4 = 1.404...............2106.................348
#5 = 1.356...............2028.................339
#6 = 1.356...............2005.................331
#7 = 1.357...............2046.................339
#8 = 1.358...............2058.................338
#9 = 1.430...............2089.................343
#10 = 1.429..............2081.................344
#11 = 1.430..............2081.................340
#12 = 1.431..............2071.................340

Conclusions:
1. All 12 cells are very close to each other in capacity, demonstrating superior manufacturing and quality control.
2. All 12 cells had similar times during the discharge cycle, demonstrating similar capacities.
3. Eneloop cells are one of the few cells on the market where the actual capacity exceeds the advertised capacity by the manufacturer.
4. There is a limit to how much anode, cathode and electrolyte material can be incorporated in a AA cell case, without an increase in self-discharge due to a reduction in separator material between the anode and cathode plates. As these materials increase in volume, the separator material decreases in volume. This leads to leakage of electrons between the anode and cathode plates, which leads to an increase in self-discharge.
5. The benefits of using a 2700mAH cell compared to a 2000mAH Eneloop can be drastically reduced by the losses of capacity due to leakage, and the resulting increase in self-discharge.
6. The use of Eneloop cells is recommended in devices where very low current draws exists, such as wall clocks and remote controls. This is because the self-discharge rate is ridiculously low. When using a non-Eneloop cell in such devices, the reason a cell will have to be replaced is
not from loss of service due to depletion from normal discharge, but rather loss of service due to depletion from self-discharge.

Jeff


 
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Thanks to all for superb data and testing of Eneloop.Can i get some opinions on best chargers for the care and feeding of these excellent cells ?
 

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bp044 said:
Thanks to all for superb data and testing of Eneloop.Can i get some opinions on best chargers for the care and feeding of these excellent cells ?
I've been using the MH-C800S to charge my Eneloop (and other)cells with excellent results. I just pulled 4 AA Eneloop cells off this charger, let them sit for 15 min, and they all tested 1.45V on a multimeter.
 
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