I have taken most of my incans out of service, haven't bought any in close to 10 years now, CFLs work fine, cost less to operate and make less heat and don't need to be replaced as often.
The only road to equal results [for the many] is tyranny.
We can live as free beings with life being unfair, or we can live under tyrannical rule, still, life will not be fair, because someone is the tyrant.
Eric
Funny how this topic came up again
Hoarding mains rated incandescents is humorous when you consider halogen incandescent bulbs (30% more efficient) have become well established in the market already
What's wrong with wanting to improve your home's electrical efficiency Lux (and thus reduce utility rates/fees)? :thinking:
Did anyone else notice that they showed a clip of an escalade with HID headlights when the narrator said "more efficient halogen bulbs?" It seems like they don't even know the difference between the two.
The mercury contained in a CFL is much less than the mercury released into the air by burning the extra coal necessary to power an incandescent lightbulb. At least a few of them won't end up in the landfills anyway, because there are CFL recycling boxes at every hardware store in my area, and plenty of other areas as well I imagine. So your "less pollution by using incans" logic is bunk. Also, totalitarianism and communism are diametric opposites.I've been stocking up for awhile now, but I need to get much more.
This is sad and sickening that the government can get away with this.
I won't have CFL's in my house. Buy all the incans you can to prevent our landfills from filling up with mercury from CFL's.
And yea MSNBC is basically like bringing totalitarian communism into your living room.
Anyone else get a laugh?xxx said:msnbc is basically like bringing totalitarian communism into your living room.
and if the proposed replacements looked and performed the way you want artificial lighting to perform.
If someone likes the look of CFL lighting, despite their surprisingly short lifetimes since they were not rated for normal use being typically turned on/off, and as long as they don't break while unscrewing, or drop and explode the toxic materials all over, then they are free to buy them. To force the outlaw of manufacturing of incans in the USA when there is still a demand for them is insane, and will make people buy them from other countries who still have jobs making them. It's more fallout from the fictitious man caused global warming wealth redistribution scheme.
I'll honestly have to take your word on that as I've not tried the high efficiency halogen mains bulbs (though I do intend to shortly), but having said that I had imagined they would behave in a similar manner to the 12v variety...
In my personal experience I've found the length of service (with CFL's) is directly related to the quality of manufacture and generally have found the units lasting well (Philips CFL bulbs), our porch light for example was replaced after 6 years... I was lucky to get 12 months+ out of the (now outlawed) incandescent bulbs, FWIW our home is completely CFL converted and out of all those I find I might be having to replace a bulb (CFL) at a rate of 1 per 6 months which is significantly less than the previous incandescent replacement schedule :thumbsup:
Higher efficiency is a good goal... in previous years the population's electricity needs have begun to "out strip" the State's energy suppliers ability to provide making "brown outs" more common place during summer here, living on the fringe of an electricity grid means we experience complete power outages 2~4 times per year and by people making our energy work smarter (CFL's) and not harder (inefficient incandescents) there is simply more "juice on tap" to share around... and that's a good thing!
We have never had a brownout where I live. Hurricane/storm related outages, yes. Maybe if such a shortage was real here, I would make other choices....maybe. It is like the US Govt. prohibiting the good old 8-10 gallon per flush toilets in areas that don't have water shortages.
The legislators who implemented the ban failed to consider one important thing: there are a number of applications where incandescents are perfect for the job because they're a readily-available low wattage heater. Want to keep your kitchen pipes from freezing? Put a lamp in the cabinet underneath. Farmers put an incandescent lamp in the chick brooder in cold weather, and how much do you adjust cooking times in your kids' EZ-Bake oven when you switch from incandescent to CFL?
Class warfare is the #1 requirement for tyranny to prevail in a free society.
Eric
You are aware that every joule you use is a joule not available somewhere else, right? You are contributing to brown outs and water shortages elsewhere by being wasteful... Those extra 8 or so gallons are 8 or so gallons that a farmer can't use to make food.
I converted about half the house to CFL, and am fed up with them. As they fail, I'm changing them to the "30%" halogen bulbs, which IMHO put out a far better light than CFL or even the original incandescents. Yes, they're that good. I'm totally sold on them. It's only a pity they are only available in wattages between 28 and 70; I would use lower and higher wattages than that if available.
I have no issue here with people using incans/CFLs/LED lighting, but it seems that many of you have had issues with CFLs.. I'm not sure why - but the technology is mature and stable.