Eagletac T20C2 Review : Pics, outdoor beamshots, RGB shots, and more!

[richardcpf]

Other than measuring, weighting and looking almost the same, I can hardly notice any ressemblance between these two flashlights.

 

[recDNA]

Other than measuring, weighting and looking almost the same, I can hardly notice any ressemblance between these two flashlights.

Eagletac looks bigger and is brighter and has different pattern. I'd be surprised if there is any patent infringement.

 

[DimeRazorback]

The Eagletac T20 is a great looking unit, very bright with good spill and a easy to use UI, the low is easy to access and the price is lower than the competitors it faces. Their is no legal action, their is no ground to stand on in this matter, its not exactly the same, just looks similar. If you really research flashlights you will find many that look similar to another, I had atleast 30 different lights on a table and a friend of mine walks in and sez "They all look the same to me" and they dont, some have selector rings and different colors ect ect, bottom line is Eagletac are making quality products at a affordable price and the competition dont like it (so they cry about it on CPF) .

I seem to of hit a raw nerve without really doing anything
I was just going of what was said by 4sevens regarding the matter, and the fact that they don't have it in stock leads me to believe them.

I don't know who you are suggesting it is that 'cry' on CPF about it, but I hope you weren't refering to me.

This is a review thread, not an argument.

 

[wapkil]

I'd say that EagleTac design definitely looks to be influenced by Olight. On the other hand, EagleTac seems to have a different driver, brightness and runtime. BTW, I believe, it's also available with neutral white XP-E. To me the T10C2 looks similar to the M20 but seems to be different enough to not be considered a copy.

On the side note, I don't know if you all noticed but the last few weeks seemed to be interesting for manufactures and distributors. Fenix canceled distribution agreement with European 4sevens' store. 4sevens canceled lifetime warranty for Fenix lights. Eagletac has shown a light similar to Olight M20. 4sevens accused Eagletac of stealing their marketing material and illegally copying the M20 design. Some new poster took much time to analyze the Eagletac lights flaws. Then he or she posted this research results, as the first and the only post, in the new thread questioning whether Eagletac is really designed in the USA...

That's just a few things that I recently saw. Obviously, everything is probably only a pure coincidence between random events that happened during the fair play business competition. Anyway, I think that it may be better to take all this with a big grain of salt and continue to buy products that are simply technically more suitable for our needs.

 

[recDNA]

All I really care is it is nice and bright but has a flawed beam, esp. for indoor use. I'm willing to tolerate the ugly rings for the brightness but if you're looking for a pretty beam on the wall this isn't your best choice IMO. Best bet is to use the diffuser indoors and at least it is included.

 

[csshih]

yeah! the diffuser is included in the base 80$ model. :thumbsup:

wapkil: I agree completely.

 

[wapkil]

yeah! the diffuser is included in the base 80$ model. :thumbsup:

wapkil: I agree completely.

Well, I have one correction to what I wrote. I thought that the light is also available with XP-E. I tried to find where I read it but to no avail. Probably my mistake.

 

[f22shift]

I'd say that EagleTac design definitely looks to be influenced by Olight. On the other hand, EagleTac seems to have a different driver, brightness and runtime. BTW, I believe, it's also available with neutral white XP-E. To me the T10C2 looks similar to the M20 but seems to be different enough to not be considered a copy.

On the side note, I don't know if you all noticed but the last few weeks seemed to be interesting for manufactures and distributors. Fenix canceled distribution agreement with European 4sevens' store. 4sevens canceled lifetime warranty for Fenix lights. Eagletac has shown a light similar to Olight M20. 4sevens accused Eagletac of stealing their marketing material and illegally copying the M20 design. Some new poster took much time to analyze the Eagletac lights flaws. Then he or she posted this research results, as the first and the only post, in the new thread questioning whether Eagletac is really designed in the USA...

That's just a few things that I recently saw. Obviously, everything is probably only a pure coincidence between random events that happened during the fair play business competition. Anyway, I think that it may be better to take all this with a big grain of salt and continue to buy products that are simply technically more suitable for our needs.

that's a good summary.
honestly i never realized flasholism would be so entertaining. so much drama. tune in next week for more.
there seems to be alot of new members with strong opinions on either side.

to me, it seems the dimensions look different, weight is different, internals are totally different. styling looks similar.
yeah i think i'm going to word inspired and took their own spin on someone's look.
i think they squeaked this one by. i think in the flashlight world all the subtleties make the difference. every nuance is a feature.
i dunno if this is a bit of a stretch but it's like saying all asians look alike when there are subtle differences.

 

[lebox97]

yup, there is only so many ways a tailcap/switch, cell body, head, reflector, lens etc can be changed to look different-unique..
I think future is going to be about the internals (circuits, regulation, output, runtime, efficiency, modes, etc)
and eagletac seems to be current winner.

I think and old term comes to mind - "build a better mouse trap"

 

[csshih]

Well, I have one correction to what I wrote. I thought that the light is also available with XP-E. I tried to find where I read it but to no avail. Probably my mistake.

oops, yeah.I saw that comment, forgot to talk about it.

I havent seen anywhere that the led was available in XP-E, only XR-E neutral white.

though if it were offered in xp-e.. the beam would probably be much better.

 

[liquidsix]

Yeah I know flashlights all look alike, there's only so many ways you can make something look different and blah blah blah, but the T20C2 is to the M20 is like The Beach Boys "Surfin' U.S.A" is to Chuck Berrys' "Sweet Little Sixteen". Even the UI deviates from typical Eagletac UI towards Olight's. THis is nothing new either, the T10C2 is to the Fenix T1 like Rolling Stone's "Has anybody seen my baby" is to KD Lang's "Constant Craving".

Looks and similarities aside, Eagletac has maintained a high standard for quality at a reasonable price.

Good review.

 

[JKL]

...
though if it were offered in xp-e.. the beam would probably be much better.

I totaly agree with Csshih.

Regarding the M20 and T20C2 comparison:

The Eagletac T20C2 and Olight M20 styling surely seems very similar,
at any rate for the UI, beam and other aspects , IMHO , are two flashlights totaly different .

People may agree or not.

 

[jirik_cz]

though if it were offered in xp-e.. the beam would probably be much better.

XP-E can not be driven so hard, their recommended maximum current is 700mA. Which is significantly less than 1200mA in T20C2.

 

[wapkil]

XP-E can not be driven so hard, their recommended maximum current is 700mA. Which is significantly less than 1200mA in T20C2.

Is 1.2A the peak current measured for the fresh battery? If the light lasts for 3.3h on a 18650, for most of the time it should be driven with lower current...

I think many manufacturers are exceeding XP-E current limits (btw, with what current is the T100C2 mk II driven?). Isn't the LED junction temperature (and thus the light thermal design) usually much more important than the current?

 

[csshih]

XP-E can not be driven so hard, their recommended maximum current is 700mA. Which is significantly less than 1200mA in T20C2.

limitations can always be passed

we see the 47s line of lights going beyond this limit.. yet they still offer a 10 year warranty :thumbsup:

 

[wapkil]

honestly i never realized flasholism would be so entertaining. so much drama. tune in next week for more.
there seems to be alot of new members with strong opinions on either side.

Yup, quite an entertaining drama. And in a good drama the action has to be fast - people cannot wait a whole week. Here we have another first post by a new member with passion for detective work and thinly veiled suggestions. I wonder what EagleTac has done that caused this reaction. I'm starting to feel sorry for them...

 

[csshih]

finally updated with indoor comparison shots..

 

[kyhunter1]

Anyway someone could post whitewall comparison beamshots with the SMO vs OP reflector with the T20C2?

 

[jirik_cz]

Is 1.2A the peak current measured for the fresh battery? If the light lasts for 3.3h on a 18650, for most of the time it should be driven with lower current...

the 1.2A current should be constant with 2xCR123/RCR123

I think many manufacturers are exceeding XP-E current limits (btw, with what current is the T100C2 mk II driven?). Isn't the LED junction temperature (and thus the light thermal design) usually much more important than the current?

Many manufacturers exceeds the recommended current, but that doesn't mean that it is the good thing Current to the LED in T100C2 should be 850mA...

 

[csshih]

Anyway someone could post whitewall comparison beamshots with the SMO vs OP reflector with the T20C2?

here are some:
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/3032753&postcount=35

sorry about thread organization.