Jetbeam RRT-01 Mini VS Sunwayman M11A
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Sgt. LED
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Opinions vary but I would wait for Sunwayman.
I'm not buying Jetbeam unless it's got a carbon fiber body and takes 4 AA.
Their only recent product that hasn't left me feeling like something is somehow, off.
Sunwayman is still consistanly showing nice fit and finish.
I'm not buying Jetbeam unless it's got a carbon fiber body and takes 4 AA.
Their only recent product that hasn't left me feeling like something is somehow, off.
Sunwayman is still consistanly showing nice fit and finish.
AardvarkSagus
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I haven't tried that one yet, but most of my JETBeam lights seem fine. I love the look of both the RRT-01 and the M11A, but I'm really hoping to see a V11R soon.
Fireclaw18
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There's a pic of the V11R in the V11R thread that was posted on this forum last week. Looks great. It looks very similar to the RRT-01 except that it has a tailcap button and lacks the stainless steel bezel ring.
peterharvey73
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It will be interesting to see which is better.
RRT-01: 81mm x 23mm 46 grams.
M11R: 75mm x 23mm 46 grams.
RRT-01: XM-L T6, 500 lumens and 113 meters throw ANSI FL-1.
M11R: XM-L U2 7% brighter, 230 lumens on an RCR123? For 130 meters of throw on an RCR123? Doesn't make sense? Must wait and see.
Maybe the RRT-01 has gone for a shallow reflector, with less tactical throw, but more practical lateral spill and flood?
While the M11R has stuck to deeper reflectors for more tactical throw, but a reduced lateral spill and flood like my V10R XM-L T6???
A wide lateral spill with reduced throw could be very practical.
RRT-01: continuously variable from 0.005 lumen to 500 lumens.
M11R 3 steps only: 4, 60 & 180 lumens on a CR123.
Both have Ti pocket clips.
Both have magnetic rings positioned at the neck.
Both have 50 micro amps standby.
The M11R has 3 brightness levels; the RRT-01 has continuously variable brightness levels.
The RRT-01 has an SS bezel.
The RRT-01 styling looks more military, vs M11R's more gentlemanly.
The M11R comes in 3 colours.
Presently, the RRT-01 has the edge, thanks to it's continuously variable brightness levels.
The M11R's minimum of 4 lumens is too bright to use just out of bed at 2am in the morning...
RRT-01: 81mm x 23mm 46 grams.
M11R: 75mm x 23mm 46 grams.
RRT-01: XM-L T6, 500 lumens and 113 meters throw ANSI FL-1.
M11R: XM-L U2 7% brighter, 230 lumens on an RCR123? For 130 meters of throw on an RCR123? Doesn't make sense? Must wait and see.
Maybe the RRT-01 has gone for a shallow reflector, with less tactical throw, but more practical lateral spill and flood?
While the M11R has stuck to deeper reflectors for more tactical throw, but a reduced lateral spill and flood like my V10R XM-L T6???
A wide lateral spill with reduced throw could be very practical.
RRT-01: continuously variable from 0.005 lumen to 500 lumens.
M11R 3 steps only: 4, 60 & 180 lumens on a CR123.
Both have Ti pocket clips.
Both have magnetic rings positioned at the neck.
Both have 50 micro amps standby.
The M11R has 3 brightness levels; the RRT-01 has continuously variable brightness levels.
The RRT-01 has an SS bezel.
The RRT-01 styling looks more military, vs M11R's more gentlemanly.
The M11R comes in 3 colours.
Presently, the RRT-01 has the edge, thanks to it's continuously variable brightness levels.
The M11R's minimum of 4 lumens is too bright to use just out of bed at 2am in the morning...
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peterharvey73
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Well, both the M11R and the V11R are released now:
M11R: http://www.sunwayman.com/html/products/201202/79.html
V11R: http://www.sunwayman.com/html/products/201203/87.html
RRT-01: http://www.jet-beam.com/links/pro/rrt01.aspx
The M11R has a magnetic ring with 50 microamp standby, and only 3 levels of brightness.
The V11R has infinite control of brightness, but has no micro-amperage standby built into the ring; rather it uses a tail end clicky, such that the user must constantly flip the V11R 180 degrees to operate the tail end switch, and the neck located magnetic ring - else use two hands.
Thus, personally for me, the RRT-01 gets my vote here, for a magnetic ring with both micro-amperage standby, and continuously infinite brightness control.
The Sunways are famous for short ring travel.
The Jetbeams have been famous for long ring travel in the past.
The amount of ring travel in the RRT-01 has not yet been documented???
Furthermore, it seems from photographs that the RRT-01 has a deliberate/intentional shallow reflector depth, for only 113 meters of throw [versus the Sunways' deeper reflector for 130 meters of throw], however I wouldn't be surprised to find that the RRT-01 will have a wider lateral illumination/spill of light for greater practicality.
What's more, the extra floodiness of the RRT-01's beam matches it's neck mounted magnetic ring UI with micro-amperage standby which requires the handshake grip for operation on/off.
However, I do like the softer and more gentlemanly styling of the Sunways more than the rugged looking Jetbeam.
I particularly like the transverse heat sink styling on the Sunways, over the longitudinal thumb/finger wells on the Jetbeam' head, supposedly so we can grip the head to rotate it, but we know that the head is in fact immobile.
The RRT-01 does have a nicer SS bezel, and a nicer Ti clip; the M11R's Ti clip is nice, but it's right angle bend doesn't look as graceful as the RRT-01's longitudinal McGizmo-like clip.
The white labeling from standby, to minimum to maximum brightness levels on the Sunways are better too, than the RRT-01's zero labeling.
Hand Shake Grip, Magnetic Ring Standby with Pure Flood Beam
Overall, for me and my tastes, the RRT-01 with: the micro-amperage standby in the magnetic ring for the handshake grip, the continuously infinite brightness adjustment, not to mention the lower low of 0.005 lumen, the matching floodier nature of the beam albeit with less throw, and there's the more secure screwed-on titanium clip too, is the best package of the three.
I can live with the RRT-01's slightly lesser styling, the absence of labeling on the magnetic ring, and a fraction less efficiency from the XM-L T6 bin emitter.
Overhand Grip, Tail End Switch with Flood-Throw Beam
For those who'd like more throw [flood-throw combinations], the extra throw of the V11R combines and packages nicely with it's tail end switch for the overhand grip, since throw beams encourage the higher overhand grip, to maximise the throw.
However, what happened to the M11R's micro-amperage standby on the magnetic ring?
And what happened to the M11R's nice securely fastened screwed-on titanium clip?
A surprising lapse in packaging for the new Sunwayman V11R?
M11R: http://www.sunwayman.com/html/products/201202/79.html
V11R: http://www.sunwayman.com/html/products/201203/87.html
RRT-01: http://www.jet-beam.com/links/pro/rrt01.aspx
The M11R has a magnetic ring with 50 microamp standby, and only 3 levels of brightness.
The V11R has infinite control of brightness, but has no micro-amperage standby built into the ring; rather it uses a tail end clicky, such that the user must constantly flip the V11R 180 degrees to operate the tail end switch, and the neck located magnetic ring - else use two hands.
Thus, personally for me, the RRT-01 gets my vote here, for a magnetic ring with both micro-amperage standby, and continuously infinite brightness control.
The Sunways are famous for short ring travel.
The Jetbeams have been famous for long ring travel in the past.
The amount of ring travel in the RRT-01 has not yet been documented???
Furthermore, it seems from photographs that the RRT-01 has a deliberate/intentional shallow reflector depth, for only 113 meters of throw [versus the Sunways' deeper reflector for 130 meters of throw], however I wouldn't be surprised to find that the RRT-01 will have a wider lateral illumination/spill of light for greater practicality.
What's more, the extra floodiness of the RRT-01's beam matches it's neck mounted magnetic ring UI with micro-amperage standby which requires the handshake grip for operation on/off.
However, I do like the softer and more gentlemanly styling of the Sunways more than the rugged looking Jetbeam.
I particularly like the transverse heat sink styling on the Sunways, over the longitudinal thumb/finger wells on the Jetbeam' head, supposedly so we can grip the head to rotate it, but we know that the head is in fact immobile.
The RRT-01 does have a nicer SS bezel, and a nicer Ti clip; the M11R's Ti clip is nice, but it's right angle bend doesn't look as graceful as the RRT-01's longitudinal McGizmo-like clip.
The white labeling from standby, to minimum to maximum brightness levels on the Sunways are better too, than the RRT-01's zero labeling.
Hand Shake Grip, Magnetic Ring Standby with Pure Flood Beam
Overall, for me and my tastes, the RRT-01 with: the micro-amperage standby in the magnetic ring for the handshake grip, the continuously infinite brightness adjustment, not to mention the lower low of 0.005 lumen, the matching floodier nature of the beam albeit with less throw, and there's the more secure screwed-on titanium clip too, is the best package of the three.
I can live with the RRT-01's slightly lesser styling, the absence of labeling on the magnetic ring, and a fraction less efficiency from the XM-L T6 bin emitter.
Overhand Grip, Tail End Switch with Flood-Throw Beam
For those who'd like more throw [flood-throw combinations], the extra throw of the V11R combines and packages nicely with it's tail end switch for the overhand grip, since throw beams encourage the higher overhand grip, to maximise the throw.
However, what happened to the M11R's micro-amperage standby on the magnetic ring?
And what happened to the M11R's nice securely fastened screwed-on titanium clip?
A surprising lapse in packaging for the new Sunwayman V11R?
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lightseeker2009
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Why not rather compare the Jetbeam with the V10A? Since the V10A puts out 460 lumens. I don't own a Jetbeam but a V10A. Its just briliant. I love it. Now I just wait till they release a V40A...
Fireclaw18
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The V10A and V10R are basically the same light. The head is the same. The only difference is the battery tube holds a different battery. The V11R is an update of the V10R with slightly different body styling and a slightly more powerful emitter.
As such, a better comparison is as in post#6: The V11R vs. RRT-01. The M11R can also be compared since its user interface and size are similar to the RRT-01
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A V11R can be converted to a V11A just by adding this extender.
Ditto, an M11R can be converted to an M11A too?
As for the request for a V40A, it may not happen for a while.
Probably because there is not a huge demand for continuously infinite control in larger flashlights.
For example, the Sunwayman V60C 3x18650 with continuously infinite control has not been particularly popular.
Continuous infinite control is more important in small flashlights, working at short distances, where continuously variable lumens really counts.
Across a football field or golf course, continuous infinitely variable lumens means little by comparison.
However, you never know, an infinitely variable V40A could be just around the corner...
Ditto, an M11R can be converted to an M11A too?
As for the request for a V40A, it may not happen for a while.
Probably because there is not a huge demand for continuously infinite control in larger flashlights.
For example, the Sunwayman V60C 3x18650 with continuously infinite control has not been particularly popular.
Continuous infinite control is more important in small flashlights, working at short distances, where continuously variable lumens really counts.
Across a football field or golf course, continuous infinitely variable lumens means little by comparison.
However, you never know, an infinitely variable V40A could be just around the corner...
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peterharvey73
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They actually compare the M11R with the RRT-01 in the video below, especially at 0:01'33" into the video.
Notice how the RRT-01 on the left has a noticeably larger, but less intense hotspot on the video, and a shallower reflector in photo at their Jetbeam website.
The RRT-01 also seems to have a wider spill too, for greater practicality.
Notice how the tint on the RRT-01 is typical Jetbeam/Nitecore warmer and more neutral than the Sunway.
Meanwhile the M11R on the right, has a deeper reflector on photos, and at least a smaller but more intense hotspot in the video.
Notice how the strobe on the M11R is on the far right, so he accidentally activates the strobe? A bit of a pain.
The strobe is good, but placement is a pain.
The strobe best be to the far left of standby, like in the RRT-0.
Can someone with good German interpret? Especially at 0:01'33" into the video when he compares the two lights.
Notice how the RRT-01 on the left has a noticeably larger, but less intense hotspot on the video, and a shallower reflector in photo at their Jetbeam website.
The RRT-01 also seems to have a wider spill too, for greater practicality.
Notice how the tint on the RRT-01 is typical Jetbeam/Nitecore warmer and more neutral than the Sunway.
Meanwhile the M11R on the right, has a deeper reflector on photos, and at least a smaller but more intense hotspot in the video.
Notice how the strobe on the M11R is on the far right, so he accidentally activates the strobe? A bit of a pain.
The strobe is good, but placement is a pain.
The strobe best be to the far left of standby, like in the RRT-0.
Can someone with good German interpret? Especially at 0:01'33" into the video when he compares the two lights.
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Sgt. LED
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Can't post what he is saying on the forum.
He isn't talking about the lights, he's just reciting some extremely filthy poems while playing with them. Weird
Oh wait I don't speak German, nevermind. Hahahaha :duh2:
He isn't talking about the lights, he's just reciting some extremely filthy poems while playing with them. Weird
Oh wait I don't speak German, nevermind. Hahahaha :duh2:
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Well I certainly hope its around the corner. I feel its a good idea. The V40A will be more popular than the V60C I think. I would rather get a V40A. You can still use it for short ranges but when you need lumens, its there. Unlike the V10A which is more of a flooder. I never tried to see how far mine throws though. Then there is the positive side as well, more runtime than the V10A. No I'm praying for a V40A with 1-800 lumens. It will overtake my current favourite light which is my TK40 and will be used as my bedside light. I love my 18650 based lights but I still do favour AA lights.
kaichu dento
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For me personally, the M11A is a non-starter, with it's 4 lumen low. If you just want a decent flashlight and have no need of a very low level then it may be a good option for you, but the .005 lumen ultra-low on the RRT-01 is something I've been waiting to see come available for some time now and automatically places it on my short list of lights to buy right now, even though I'm more interested in reducing the number of lights I have.
I'll stay away from the question of which is better as I think they'll both address different segments of users quite well, but for me, the lower low (by a longshot), higher high, floodier beam, fatter hotspot all point to the RRT-01.
So the RRT-01 is infinitely variable? Sounds like it's more appropriate to compare it to the new V11R then.
I have an M20C with the same mode configuration as the M11R and I almost never hit the strobe on accident.
The V11R doesn't even have a strobe, right? That's even more ideal.
I have an M20C with the same mode configuration as the M11R and I almost never hit the strobe on accident.
The V11R doesn't even have a strobe, right? That's even more ideal.
Fireclaw18
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RRT-01 is infinitely variable and also has no strobe.
Ring at far left: off
Ring at far right: max
120 degrees of travel to move ring from one position to the other. Brightness will ramp up gradually from nothing to max over that travel
No strobe
Hidden SOS mode: Turn ring to max, then quickly turn to left and back to max 3x in a row.
True, especially if you're already invested in 14500, which I am. And of course, the V11R is out now, so they can be compared side by side, not just on paper.
It would be even a easier comparison if JETBeam offered an AA adapter like they did for the RRT-0, but I've asked all over, it seems they don't. That's a big black mark against the RRT-01 for me, sadly.
I keep telling myself to hold out for a Selfbuilt review of the RRT-01 and V11R before I drop more $$$, but DAMN it's getting hard!
RRT 01 goes so low it makes a trit look bright....Surefire T1A or Titan are 'blinding' on low compared to it. It's an incredible range - and I get 542 lumen out of mine on a freshly charged IMR 18350 cell....
kaichu dento
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That right there is why I want one so bad!
