$25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree
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Codeman
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
That wasn't through an online store, though.
That wasn't through an online store, though.
adirondackdestroyer
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I just ordered one directly from Rayovac. I just called them up and said they aren't available in my area. It was $32.95 shipped.
The lady on the phone actually tried telling me that this exact light is for sale at Walmart,Target, and other major retailers, and that she saw it the other day while at Walmart. I told her that as far as I knew it was only on the shelves of Meijer and there isn't one within hundreds of miles of where I live.
I just ordered one directly from Rayovac. I just called them up and said they aren't available in my area. It was $32.95 shipped.
The lady on the phone actually tried telling me that this exact light is for sale at Walmart,Target, and other major retailers, and that she saw it the other day while at Walmart. I told her that as far as I knew it was only on the shelves of Meijer and there isn't one within hundreds of miles of where I live.
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mmmflashlights
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
Has anyone compared this light with the Harbor Freight 'U.S. General' 3W Luxeon light that they sell in the a 3C and 3D version? The lights look a little different comsetically, but overall appear to be a similar light. The Harbor Freight 3C and 3D lights are on sale right now for $18 and $20. I additionally have a 15% off coupon so it'd only be about $15 for the 3C light. I have a couple of extra Cree P4 LEDs so I may give one of the HF lights a try and put a Cree in it, but I'd be interested in if anyone has been able to compare them.
Has anyone compared this light with the Harbor Freight 'U.S. General' 3W Luxeon light that they sell in the a 3C and 3D version? The lights look a little different comsetically, but overall appear to be a similar light. The Harbor Freight 3C and 3D lights are on sale right now for $18 and $20. I additionally have a 15% off coupon so it'd only be about $15 for the 3C light. I have a couple of extra Cree P4 LEDs so I may give one of the HF lights a try and put a Cree in it, but I'd be interested in if anyone has been able to compare them.
applevision
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
Hi guys,
I know this may sound a little silly because these lights are so fundamentally different, but I've been very interested in the Pelican 7060 (https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2132728&posted=1#post2132728) versus this light. My gut is that the Ray-O-Vac might outperform it.
Any chance anyone could compare these two?
Many thanks to all.
Hi guys,
I know this may sound a little silly because these lights are so fundamentally different, but I've been very interested in the Pelican 7060 (https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2132728&posted=1#post2132728) versus this light. My gut is that the Ray-O-Vac might outperform it.
Any chance anyone could compare these two?
Many thanks to all.
JamisonM
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I don't think you can really compare the two. You could, but the two are just so far apart that it makes doing so moot.
applevision
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I hear you, JamisonM, but they do both contain a Cree emitter and I'd just love to do a head-to-head with beamshots. What's really compelling about the Ray-O-Vac to me, however, is the fact that the runtime is so good compared to the Pelican. Wouldn't it be insane if the ROV was as good or better than the Pelican from a light production standpoint and runtime standpoint? I mean, granted, the Pelican is a high-performance light that is also rechargeable, but it is more than 6 times as expensive as well!
Guys, anyone have both of these? (If not I may pull trigger on the Pelican and do this myself, if anyone is interested).
I hear you, JamisonM, but they do both contain a Cree emitter and I'd just love to do a head-to-head with beamshots. What's really compelling about the Ray-O-Vac to me, however, is the fact that the runtime is so good compared to the Pelican. Wouldn't it be insane if the ROV was as good or better than the Pelican from a light production standpoint and runtime standpoint? I mean, granted, the Pelican is a high-performance light that is also rechargeable, but it is more than 6 times as expensive as well!
Guys, anyone have both of these? (If not I may pull trigger on the Pelican and do this myself, if anyone is interested).
jbosman1013
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I got one at a local meijers last weekend and was very impressed. I gave it a little test in a dark open field and compared it with my SF C2 with DX seoul drop-in. It is sad to say but the ROV lost, not by much but it just couldn't beat the seoul. It still puts out alot of light for a long time and that is very good :thumbsup:
I got one at a local meijers last weekend and was very impressed. I gave it a little test in a dark open field and compared it with my SF C2 with DX seoul drop-in. It is sad to say but the ROV lost, not by much but it just couldn't beat the seoul. It still puts out alot of light for a long time and that is very good :thumbsup:
swxb12
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
How solid is this thing with batteries loaded? I'd like to keep one in the map cubby of the car door. Never know when you need to beat things with it. Like tires, car jackers, stuff like that.
How solid is this thing with batteries loaded? I'd like to keep one in the map cubby of the car door. Never know when you need to beat things with it. Like tires, car jackers, stuff like that.
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I picked one of these up at Meijers yesterday. I do not have the same impression as most people here. What a piece of crap! Luckily I opened the light and tried it in the parking lot. When I put the batteries in and turned it on, I noticed the beam really looked bad. Upon removing the head I found that the lens on the Cree emitter was completely off and rattling around inside. Other things I did not like about this light is that the batteries are very loose inside and rattle around, the rubber sleeve on the barrel is extremely loose to the point of falling off, and it seems to use some type of optic rather than a reflector. I took it back immediately and got a refund. There are too many other good values out there to waste money on a light like this.
I picked one of these up at Meijers yesterday. I do not have the same impression as most people here. What a piece of crap! Luckily I opened the light and tried it in the parking lot. When I put the batteries in and turned it on, I noticed the beam really looked bad. Upon removing the head I found that the lens on the Cree emitter was completely off and rattling around inside. Other things I did not like about this light is that the batteries are very loose inside and rattle around, the rubber sleeve on the barrel is extremely loose to the point of falling off, and it seems to use some type of optic rather than a reflector. I took it back immediately and got a refund. There are too many other good values out there to waste money on a light like this.
thelightdude
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I have to agree with Grubbster.
As I posted earlier, I found the light to be of poor material quality. I noticed that it weighs half as much as a similar Mag (thin walls) and that the tailcap had very poor threads. I am still impressed by the output of the light and actually gave it a workout last week during the violent Midwest storms.
I have to agree with Grubbster.
As I posted earlier, I found the light to be of poor material quality. I noticed that it weighs half as much as a similar Mag (thin walls) and that the tailcap had very poor threads. I am still impressed by the output of the light and actually gave it a workout last week during the violent Midwest storms.
Mr_Light
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
The following light looks to be in the same league as this light. I just ordered one of these 4C CREE lights from DX. I will report on it when it arrives.
SmartFire M-504C Cree Flashlight (4xC Cells) $28.55
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6411
The following light looks to be in the same league as this light. I just ordered one of these 4C CREE lights from DX. I will report on it when it arrives.
SmartFire M-504C Cree Flashlight (4xC Cells) $28.55
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6411
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
Someone asked about C/D cell NiMH and why they are (effectively) only "repackaged AA capacity" cells. It's been discussed a few times here, bottom line consensus is that the retail, consumer-level, chargers on the market won't charge anything higher than that (some won't even charge up to 2500), and the demand for C/D cell rechargeables is so small that the demand for higher capacity chargers to use with larger mAh cells would be even smaller... bottom line, mass-market demand for larger cap cells, and the chargers to charge them, simply isn't there.
However you can find plenty of them online at battery specialist places, chargers and cells, that are much larger capacity (4-6k mAh for C, up to 12k for D cells, "mfger specs"). Of course you pay accordingly, 2 high-cap C or D cells are typically in the $15-25+ range, and a charger to fully charge them in one pass within a reasonable time frame is in the $50-125+ range usually.
Obviously the average consumer isn't going to pay over $100 for a charger and 2 batteries, so they keep the C/D cells at the consumer charger "limit" of around 2500mAh so that the $20 chargers can charge them up in less than a week, and they don't pay as much for the cells (although seriously overinflated, they should cost a minimal amount more than the AAs considering it's mostly empty packaging at that point).
Hope that helps.
Someone asked about C/D cell NiMH and why they are (effectively) only "repackaged AA capacity" cells. It's been discussed a few times here, bottom line consensus is that the retail, consumer-level, chargers on the market won't charge anything higher than that (some won't even charge up to 2500), and the demand for C/D cell rechargeables is so small that the demand for higher capacity chargers to use with larger mAh cells would be even smaller... bottom line, mass-market demand for larger cap cells, and the chargers to charge them, simply isn't there.
However you can find plenty of them online at battery specialist places, chargers and cells, that are much larger capacity (4-6k mAh for C, up to 12k for D cells, "mfger specs"). Of course you pay accordingly, 2 high-cap C or D cells are typically in the $15-25+ range, and a charger to fully charge them in one pass within a reasonable time frame is in the $50-125+ range usually.
Obviously the average consumer isn't going to pay over $100 for a charger and 2 batteries, so they keep the C/D cells at the consumer charger "limit" of around 2500mAh so that the $20 chargers can charge them up in less than a week, and they don't pay as much for the cells (although seriously overinflated, they should cost a minimal amount more than the AAs considering it's mostly empty packaging at that point).
Hope that helps.
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
The reflector on that light looks a lot like the Ultrafire C2 reflector in shape and size. I wonder how much different it performs.
I just bought a Harbor Freight 3C 3W Luxeon, I'll swap the LED with a Cree, Seoul, or Edison soon. It's a pretty good light, decent reflector with good throw but artifacts, well machined and built, the reflector can be taken out easily with a spanner wrench or similar, heatsinked decently, etc. I think with a multimode circuit and one of the latest LEDs, it should be a good light. The 3D version looks even a little nicer, but it's a larger light than I wanted.
The reflector on that light looks a lot like the Ultrafire C2 reflector in shape and size. I wonder how much different it performs.
I just bought a Harbor Freight 3C 3W Luxeon, I'll swap the LED with a Cree, Seoul, or Edison soon. It's a pretty good light, decent reflector with good throw but artifacts, well machined and built, the reflector can be taken out easily with a spanner wrench or similar, heatsinked decently, etc. I think with a multimode circuit and one of the latest LEDs, it should be a good light. The 3D version looks even a little nicer, but it's a larger light than I wanted.
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
Which one is actually brighter I can't say. I can say, though, that the rayovac just has a resistor while the 7060 has a driver that regulates power to the LED. Pelican says that the 7060 will run for 90 minutes at 130lm. After that, my guess is that you'll most likely want to put it on its charger. In the meantime, the rayovac is still running and, though out put has dropped; my guess is that'll it still be plenty bright for anything other then distance spotting.
So, which one is better; neither IMO. Both are made for totally different purposes. Just buy the one that will fit your needs best. Personally, the rayovac is appealing simply because of price and brightness. I don't like the fact that it only has a resistor powering the LED, but like others have already thought about doing; I could replace the resistor with something else fitting my needs. I'd probably also want to do something about the hole under the star. That's my two cents.
Just from light production and runtime huh. I have not doubt that the ROV will run longer. It uses 3 C batteries that are most likely rated for around 8000mA each for a total of something like 24000mA. The 7060's Li-ion battery is only rated at 2200mA. That's a very big difference. As for brightness, pelican rates the 7060 at 130lm and rayovac rates their 3C 4 watt light at 150lm. Just looking at that their's not a huge difference and not something that will really be all that noticeable IMO.I hear you, JamisonM, but they do both contain a Cree emitter and I'd just love to do a head-to-head with beamshots. What's really compelling about the Ray-O-Vac to me, however, is the fact that the runtime is so good compared to the Pelican. Wouldn't it be insane if the ROV was as good or better than the Pelican from a light production standpoint and runtime standpoint? I mean, granted, the Pelican is a high-performance light that is also rechargeable, but it is more than 6 times as expensive as well!
Guys, anyone have both of these? (If not I may pull trigger on the Pelican and do this myself, if anyone is interested).
Which one is actually brighter I can't say. I can say, though, that the rayovac just has a resistor while the 7060 has a driver that regulates power to the LED. Pelican says that the 7060 will run for 90 minutes at 130lm. After that, my guess is that you'll most likely want to put it on its charger. In the meantime, the rayovac is still running and, though out put has dropped; my guess is that'll it still be plenty bright for anything other then distance spotting.
So, which one is better; neither IMO. Both are made for totally different purposes. Just buy the one that will fit your needs best. Personally, the rayovac is appealing simply because of price and brightness. I don't like the fact that it only has a resistor powering the LED, but like others have already thought about doing; I could replace the resistor with something else fitting my needs. I'd probably also want to do something about the hole under the star. That's my two cents.
Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
Where is this light?? Why does it appear that only one retailer actually has them in stock? Did Rayovac not make many of them? I live in the Raleigh area (NC) and have looked in every store that according to ROV's web page sells their products. Not one of them have it?? I could call ROV and order one, but it seems kind of silly that an item you would think would be widely distributed and easy to find is like finding a needle in a haystack! :thinking:
Where is this light?? Why does it appear that only one retailer actually has them in stock? Did Rayovac not make many of them? I live in the Raleigh area (NC) and have looked in every store that according to ROV's web page sells their products. Not one of them have it?? I could call ROV and order one, but it seems kind of silly that an item you would think would be widely distributed and easy to find is like finding a needle in a haystack! :thinking:
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Re: $25 Ray-O-Vac 4 watt 150 lumen Cree changes everything.
I received mine today directly from Rayovac and I must admit I'm not quite as impressed as some of you guys are. The quality is decent and pretty much in line with that I was expecting, but the beam is horrible! The output is pretty intense and probabley around 120+ lumens, but the beam is the ugliest (and most bizarre) thing I have ever seen in a flashlight. It doesn't have a traditional spill like a normal flashlight. It has a bright spot and then a small size of bright flood around it. Then there is a large area around the flood that is very dim and pretty useless if you ask me.
Don't get me wrong I don't think it is a bad light. I was just expecting quite a bit more. I guess I got my hopes up a little to high and they aren't always going to be met.
I'll be taking some beamshots tonight comparing it to a couple other throwers.
I received mine today directly from Rayovac and I must admit I'm not quite as impressed as some of you guys are. The quality is decent and pretty much in line with that I was expecting, but the beam is horrible! The output is pretty intense and probabley around 120+ lumens, but the beam is the ugliest (and most bizarre) thing I have ever seen in a flashlight. It doesn't have a traditional spill like a normal flashlight. It has a bright spot and then a small size of bright flood around it. Then there is a large area around the flood that is very dim and pretty useless if you ask me.
Don't get me wrong I don't think it is a bad light. I was just expecting quite a bit more. I guess I got my hopes up a little to high and they aren't always going to be met.
I'll be taking some beamshots tonight comparing it to a couple other throwers.
