mds82
Enlightened
http://www.cree.com/press/press_detail.asp?i=1227101620851
damn, cant wait for this guy to come out!
ha ha, maybe 1 year? j/k!!!
damn, cant wait for this guy to come out!
ha ha, maybe 1 year? j/k!!!
I have actually expected color temp to go down to the 3500k-4500k range for lumens/watt to increase. Our eyes are much more sensitive to the red/yellow/green wavelengths from the phosphor than the blue generated from the LED. So to get higher lumens/watt, a white with a higher ratio of yellow/green compared to primary blue output will be necessary.The R2 is over 100lm/watt already at 350mA(IIRC it was around 110-120.) it was only a matter of time.
The amazing thing is it's doing it at less than 5000k. Most of the lab LEDs that are breaking records are over 5000k.
My guess at this point is that these improvements have as much or more to do with the phosphor as they do the base LED. This means that the improvements wont' automatically "trickle down" to SSC as simply as swapping in a new chip.C'mon trickle down effect in to SSC. Where is LumiLED in all of this action even Osram is back in the top efficiency game.
At the wavelengths involved maximum theoretical phosphor efficiency is in the low 80s and practical phosphors are already in the mid-70s. In other words, phosphor improvements will only get us a few percent improvement. Assuming this LED is in the 82% area as far as phosphor efficiency, this implies a blue die with a conversion efficiency of around 60%. If the phosphor conversion is only about 75% efficient, then the blue die would be around 65% efficient. Regardless, a blue die converting between 60% and 65% of the electrical energy to light at 350 mA is a significant development.My suspicion is that in the past, when SSC was consistently posting higher lumen/watt numbers than Cree was that their phosphor package was more efficient. Now I believe Cree may have caught up up or surpassed them in phosphor efficiency. In reality the improvement is probably a combination of improved dice and improved phosphor, but as an outside observer it's almost impossible to tell how much of which has improved. My post is pure speculation.
I can't wait to run them at 3A!:naughty:..........And for me to drive them at 1amp + !!
Just to stir the pot, is there any possible relation with the emitter mentioned in this old release?
If you use these efficiency claims to create a lm/I curve similar to current generation emitters, can anyone guess if these two emitters are related, or if you can get 1000lm from this 160lm/W emitter? I do not have time to toy with numbers now (dang exams), but maybe afterward, I will play with the numbers...
This is great news, but can it be vaporware as well (like the single die 1000lm emitter linked above)? Cree sort of hit a wall with efficiency lately, with the Q5 staying nearly at the top for over a year. Cree does not seem to be budging after the release of the R2, and I had my doubts over whether a R3 or R4 would ever see the light of day. If Cree does develop another efficiency jump like what we seen with the first XR-E, then that will be an amazingly painful one-two punch to Lumileds. I still have hope for Lumileds though...
-Tony
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Oh, and as an afterthought (after seeing the above post), I cannot imagine how flooded saabluster's house is right now. All that drool. He may drown in it and go to LED heaven. Seriously, this would be good news for OMG Enterprises.
Glub Glub:green:Oh, and as an afterthought (after seeing the above post), I cannot imagine how flooded saabluster's house is right now. All that drool. He may drown in it and go to LED heaven. Seriously, this would be good news for OMG Enterprises.
I hardly think this is something they just pulled off the production line. These have to be grown in the lab under special conditions to get that much better than the existing dies.Just to curb the enthusiasm a bit, this is not really news, and only a couple of lumens higher than their last record a year or so ago.
If you make a milllion led dies, a few of them will be more outside the 2 sigma range. They got _one_ of those, remember?