6P+KL3 as EDC?

roguesw

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Hi guys,
How bulky is the 6P+KL3 as an EDC? I have the very original plain jane 6P, before lock out caps, hex head etc, and was wondering is the KL3 very bulky head?,
Also, i would like to put a metal clip on the body so i can carry it on the belt instead of pockets, any suggestions?
Cheers guys
Des
 
I have a 6P and a 9P. The KL3 is on the 9P presently. I found the 6P easier to carry in its original configuration. The nice thing about the KL3 is the ability to switch back and forth.
Jim
 
Originally posted by roguesw:
Hi guys,
How bulky is the 6P+KL3 as an EDC? I have the very original plain jane 6P, before lock out caps, hex head etc, and was wondering is the KL3 very bulky head?,
Also, i would like to put a metal clip on the body so i can carry it on the belt instead of pockets, any suggestions?
Cheers guys
Des
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">When mounted on your 6P or 9P, the KL3 will add a total of 2.25" to the length. Bezel diameter is 1 7/16ths"

Brightnorm
 
I have the KL3 and a 6Z as well as a C3. IMHO, unless you're a 450lb guy, the KL3 is a poor choice for EDC as the head is freakin' huge. It puts out about the same amount of light as a KL1 on a 2 cell body which is a more reasonable EDC configuration. You could also get an Arc LS which gives you the option of using 1x123 (size) or 2xAA (runtime) configuration which is really nice. I EDC an Arc LS in 1x123 or 2xAA and sometimes an E2E with a KL1 with the incandescent head of the E2E tucked away in a pocket. Lots of options.
 
CM, cheers
Right now, i am saving up for the Arc
u guys are right, this forum promotes the removal of money from the person : )
Right now, i want to try out the KL3 purely for the intimidation factor, : )
cheers mate
Des
 
don't do that(6P+KL3), unless you put it in your briefcase/bag.
I doubt anyone here EDC it, the KL3 is so huge!

I just let it stay on my D3 and EDC the plain old 6P(thanks surefire sending me a new replacement len for the no-hex-bezel!)

Billy
 
Billy
Yeah, i used to edc the 6p, but then the spiralling cos of 123's is the major drawback, i was so glad when the kl3 came out, as i want long runtime with no fading, or dimming
that is a major consideration, and i wonder, does surefire field test their units by the military before going into production? maybe that could account for the size of the KL3 unit.
cheers
Des
 
Hi, Des
I don't know why KL3 is so much bigger than KL1
now I just can't carry the KL3+6P/D3 on the nylon holster

fortunately, the clip on D3/KL3 help me to carry this big light around...

KL3 is bright and gives 7hours of peak brightness on 3-cell, which is prefect for most outdoor use i.e.Camping. The light of my KL3 is quite purple, though
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Billy
 
Originally posted by llvo:
....I don't know why KL3 is so much bigger than KL1 now I just can't carry the KL3+6P/D3 on the nylon holster.....
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The nylon holster sold with the "Xenergy" 3 way light is a perfect fit, (See LEDS - "A2able....")
but I don't know if you can buy it separately.

Aside from the Xenergy, Carry is a real problem with the KL3. D3 + KL3 will fit loosely in the Stinger HP holster (Ripoffs) sold by Brightguy.That holster is also a perfect fit for the D3 + SRTH (2.5" turbohead)The Kl3 is about as long as that turbohead. I've often wondered if the extreme heat finning of the lower part of KL3 was functional or for effect, considering the relative coolness of that portionof the head.

For 2 cell use (not carry) lightest weight and best color match is KL3 + G2. Best 2 cell use for secure hold and alternative hold position is KL3 + G2Z, which is also very light.

For 3 cell use lightest weight and shortest length will be Doug Spec's UBH + McGizmo's E2C HAIII adapter + KL3.

UBH + E2C + KL3 can also be used for 2 cell use but weight savings and length savings are less.

I look forward to UBH (equivalent to "E-3") + KL1 for 6 or more hours, bright regulated light in very light, compact form.

Brightnorm
 
Guys, the KL3 adds ONE INCH to the length of the 9P. I have a standard 9P and a 9P with KL3 next to each other.

I THINK part of the bulk of the KL3 is due to the way it has to sit inside the 6P/9P where the LA used to go. I'm scratching my head as to why more of the "guts" can't sit down in the opening. Perhaps a diameter thing. Maybe McGizmo understands these things.

I also think that the heatsinking is probably the other reason it's so big. I'm sure the SF designers wanted it to work reliably in the middle of the Mojave in the summer--or maybe some other desert. The Luxeon's output is heat sensitive, so keeping it as cool as practical is important. Actually, part of the look of many of the advanced SF lights includes a heat sink--like the M6, for example.

The good folks who modify MiniMags and Brinkmanns here with Luxeons have less heat sinking, but then again, they're not building thousands--although I think Charlie, Wayne, Lambda and the others may start approaching that <smile>.

Cheers,

Richard
 
The KL3 can be run cheaply in a9P. Put a partially run down 123 in the front and a fresh alkaline AA in the back separated by a 17mm dummy. (Klaus built a bunch of these dummies for me.
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) Go ahead and exhaust the 123. The KL3, unlike the KL1, has no step-up inverter. Thus, full brightness depends upon battery input voltage at or above the LS Vf. A fresh alkaline will take a while to drop to 1.2 V at the roughly 450 mA the KL3 probably draws when the battery voltage drops to just above Vf.
(RayoVac's spec sheet shows that an alkaline AA will run at 308 mA for 1.9 hours before it drops to 1.2V. The curve is pretty steep, so I'd extrapolate that it will probably stay above 1.2 V for around 0.5 hours at 450 mA to outperform NiMH for this period.)

Yes, I know. Mixing battery chemistries can create problems, so one needs to plan carefully. The battery chemistry with the least resistance (lithium in this case) should be placed closest to the positive end. This is so that the lower resistance cells won't try to charge the higher resistance cells. (Lithiums and alkalines don't like to be charged.
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)

(If I used an AA NiMH instead of an alkaline I would have placed the NiMH in front of the lithium.)

When 3 @ 123's are bled down this way I'll try to polish them off together in the 9P and see if it finishes the 123's more effectively than my X5. Given the regulation of the KL3, I suspect it will be more gratifying using the 123's with the KL3 until it hits the steep decline slope than watching the X5 get progressively dimmer.

I also suspect that using two fair 123's with an almost dead 123 will get almost all remaining juice out of the almost dead 123.

Do very low 123's ever leak the way alkalines do? I've never seen one leak.
 
Originally posted by rlhess:
Guys, the KL3 adds ONE INCH to the length of the 9P. I have a standard 9P and a 9P with KL3 next to each other.
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Originally posted by brightnorm:
When mounted on your 6P or 9P, the KL3 will add a total of 2.25" to the length. Bezel diameter is 1 7/16ths" Brightnorm
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Richard,

Clarification: My figure of 2.25" referred to the length the KL3 added to a 6P or 9P body. I think your approach addresses the question more directly.

Brightnorm
 
Originally posted by llvo:
....
I don't know why KL3 is so much bigger than KL1.......................
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hi Guys,

We aren't considering the fact that SureFire makes a lot of weapon lights where the KL3 may be used as a replacement bezel. It was pointed out to me by PK that in such a case, the heat from the gun could become a thermal problem for the LED in the KL3 without sufficient surface area for heat dissipation. When used in a hand held light configuration, you just have a very cool running light
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As far as overall length goes, the classic size SF's have compression springs on either side of the battery train wheras in the E series, there is only the spring in the tail. The LA springs add to the overall length of the light. The overlap of bezel over battery tube over LA spring can be confusing in trying to determine what actually constitutes the net length of the light. I for one have outsmarted myself and turned a couple pieces of nice looking scrap.
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- Don
 
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