Any good nimh Ds that aren't $10 ea?

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Seems thomas dist has the only selection of good looking D's but they're so freakin high. like 23-28 bucks for a tupac. I want em to be decent (more than 5000's) and be of a quality brand so I can leave em without any worry. Mostly my d's just run big rops and the like so they just have to work when I go after em. Other than that I don't need the fanciest or most amp draw. Just a decent quality reasonably priced D. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance


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tenergy 10000mah is $8 apiece.
gotta do a search, i forget where i bought them.
batteryjunction.com maybe.
 
I've got both. About 24 of the Tenergy 10,000 mA/hr Ds and 6 of the Accu Power "Evolution" LSD NiMh D cells that I got from Thomas Distributer. I am getting the impression that the Tenergy's are far from 10,000 mA/Hr, perhaps half that, so I have a set of four "conditioning" on my Maha 808 charger. The "Evolution" LSD cells are awesome, I am using them out of the package straight into a boom box that I use several times a week and its holding up better then the Tenergy's or any Alkalines.

Anyhow they were roughly $8.50ea from Tenergy and $11.50ea from Thomas Distributing.

I don't have any test equipment or jig to do an accurate set of measurements on them but the impression that I am getting is that the Tenergy D cells are closer to 5000 mA/hr.

Because of the costs, I may consider NiCds especially in LED lantern applications which I originally bought the Tenergy D NiMh cells for, for emergency blackouts and for my D-Cell maglites. The reason is that the LED lanterns can be left on with NiCd until fully drained. I noticed that the Tenergy's if left too long dropped well below 0.9 volts which will damage the NiMh cells. NiCd would actually benefit from getting drained all the way and they have lower self-discharge...about half of a NiMh.
 
Here are some really cheap NiCd D cells: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47442

Crappy capacity of course, but in terms of $/mAh they are very competitive. Anyone tried them at all?
1500mAh? Even at $1.50/ea, I don't think it's a good deal at all. I'd recommend instead going for eneloop AAs at 2/ea with the free D-sized "shells"

I know in my maglites, I can fit 4x Eneloop side-by-side. An explicit 4-parallel carriage for eneloops could be a good deal. That would give low-self-dicharge 8Ah capacity -- not as much as the Accupower Evolution, but cheaper ($9/4pack + carriage), and you could use big D-Cell lights as "battery holders" for spare AAs, that could doubgle as long-runtime flashlights in the case of emergency.
 
I've gotten my money's worth out of Powerizer D cells from Batteryspace. They're $8 by the each and always less in quantity. I have two sets of six for my CD boombox that I've used for years. I have a few more I use in a Hyper Blaster and for spares. I'd recommend a good charger to get the most out of any cell and I think it's even more important with cheaper NiMHs.

I also use 5,000 mAH NiCD Ds from Amondotech that I bought for $5 each. I like 'em. Amondo has been bought by Batteryjunction -- I hope they offer the 5,000 mAH NiCD Ds again because I want some more. (I also use 3,600 mAH NiCD Cs.) You get a lot of cell for your money with NiCDs.
 
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Here are some really cheap NiCd D cells: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47442

Crappy capacity of course, but in terms of $/mAh they are very competitive. Anyone tried them at all?

These are essentially a AA cell wrapped in an adapter to bring it to D size. You could do better by buying some cheap adapters and using high quality AA cells. I can't remember how I learned this...lol. :ohgeez: For what it's worth, their AAA NiMH cells aren't too shabby.
 
While I love the idea of AA to D adapters, I am still searching for adapters with a good design. So many of them have an exposed contact area that is too small for devices you put them in. The positive end sometimes has just a tiny little button and the exposed AA cell at the negative end frequently drops down inside the middle of the contact spring.

A good adapter would fully enclose the AA cell and would have a large metal plate at both positive and negative ends.
 
A good adapter would fully enclose the AA cell and would have a large metal plate at both positive and negative ends.

The adapters that come with the LaCrosse BC-900 kit have full-sized contacts. Unfortunately, they also have fairly high resistance springs that produce significant voltage drop at high currents.

Anybody tried the adapters that DealExtreme carries that hold two AA cells in parallel?
 
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I've got both. About 24 of the Tenergy 10,000 mA/hr Ds and 6 of the Accu Power "Evolution" LSD NiMh D cells that I got from Thomas Distributer. I am getting the impression that the Tenergy's are far from 10,000 mA/Hr, perhaps half that, so I have a set of four "conditioning" on my Maha 808 charger. The "Evolution" LSD cells are awesome, I am using them out of the package straight into a boom box that I use several times a week and its holding up better then the Tenergy's or any Alkalines.

I've heard they're closer to 8000mAH, but a spongy design that is only reasonable at low current like under 4A.

Because of the costs, I may consider NiCds especially in LED lantern applications which I originally bought the Tenergy D NiMh cells for, for emergency blackouts and for my D-Cell maglites. The reason is that the LED lanterns can be left on with NiCd until fully drained. I noticed that the Tenergy's if left too long dropped well below 0.9 volts which will damage the NiMh cells. NiCd would actually benefit from getting drained all the way and they have lower self-discharge...about half of a NiMh.

Eeek! Your lantern cannot be left on any longer (lower drained state) with NiCd. NiMH don't have a lesser drain threshold and NiCd cells do reverse charge (-> damage) when the weakest hits 0V but the rest aren't and pack still supplies power.

No NiMH will be damaged if drained below 0.9V. What will happen with those, as with NiCd, is if the cells aren't perfectly matched in capacity (or as they age, there becomes a variation in capacity later), that by the time some cells have hit 0.9V, other cells in the series will have come far closer to 0V. If you were able to monitor every cell and immediately cut out the battery pack the moment the weakest cell got to 0V, your cells would be fine.

NiCd do not benefit from being drained all the way. That just makes it more likely that one in the series would be reversed. In rare uses when they were overcharged, in that case draining them close to, but not totally drained, would help to prevent voltage depression (not to be confused with the mythical "memory effect" which is almost never seen in real-world uses). However, in any device where the battery pack voltage is boosted, such as in a typical fluorescent lantern which converts the pack voltage to hundreds or more volts to drive the tube, voltage depression on the NiMH or NiCd pack will not be a problem. By draining them fully you wouldn't gain anything useful unless the pack was a cell or two short of needed threshold voltage.

In other words, suppose your lantern regulator board can't drive the tube if the pack voltage dropped below 4.0V. If that were the case, and the pack were voltage depressed, then you wouldn't get full spec'd capacity out of a 4 cell pack. On the other hand, if minimal regulator board voltage input were 4.0V but you had a 5 or more cell pack, it would be no problem.

With an LED instead of fluorescent, it depends on whether it has a current limiting (simple resistor, typically) or boost or buck LED driver circuit. With current limiting it would work but be lower light output. With boost circuit it would work similarly fine as with fluorescent. With buck it could potentially drop lower than the threshold for the driver circuit too soon (same issue as with fluorescent, depends on # of cells and exact threshold for driver circuit and LED config - whether one, or more in series or parallel to determine minimal forward voltage drop plus driver board drop as a total to compare against remaining battery pack voltage if/when depressed). Even with depressed cells, you still get the capacity by the time the pack is down to a normal shutoff range of under 0.9V.

There's really less difficulty in choosing NiCd or NiMH. The former has almost double the recharge cycles and works better at low temps. The latter has more energy density and isn't as toxic. Some say NiCD can be recharged faster, but that's generally only comparing when the NiCd has a lower capacity so in the same time period a good quality NiMH can have the same power put into it until talking about extremely short, very high current charge rate periods like under 20 minutes.
 
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While I love the idea of AA to D adapters, I am still searching for adapters with a good design. So many of them have an exposed contact area that is too small for devices you put them in. The positive end sometimes has just a tiny little button and the exposed AA cell at the negative end frequently drops down inside the middle of the contact spring.

A good adapter would fully enclose the AA cell and would have a large metal plate at both positive and negative ends.
That must be a fairly large spring. Before I switched to using NiMh in my high power lights (a seoul P7 and P4 maglite), I looked around for decent adapter that do just what you describe. I found a few, but most just left the negative end of the AA exposed and the ones I did find where in china. I'm not too crazy about ordering something from kaidomain or dealextreme, but I have no problems ordering from a place like thomas distributing or battery junction. I order four AA to D adapters from thomas distributing even though they were the negative side exposed kind. To get them to work I simply bent the very end of the spring that contacts the negative side of battery. All you need is a pair of pliers and it works great. Here's a picture of maglite spring I did this to.
 
I have 4 powerizer D cells that get used once and awhile for various things and I can't really complain about them considering the price paid. A long while back when I first got them I did some various discharge tests to get a feel for how they hold up (like 3 years ago). I did a few different tests, some at ~5A and some into a ~11A load. Under either load they performed right around 9AH. They are still holding up and working well to this day. They hold a charge surprisingly well. I top em off once every 3-6 months and use them in a D cell powered blower for an inflatable mattress and various flashlights during emergencies. They don't see continuous use so I can't really comment on long term stability other than the fact that they have been used for almost 3 years on occasion and seem to be fine.

I should note that powerizer/tenergy/etc are notorious for having substantial inconsistency from cell to cell. Mine aren't bad, but someone else could get a lousy batch or a few duds.
 
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