Any M6 Mods
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matt0
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JNewell
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Tons, but you should ask in the Incan forum.
Bronco
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Seriously. How has someone not figured out how to drop a P7 into this thing yet? Maybe with a 2xLiIon C configuration?
The P7 is too large to physically fit through the hole in the M6. I'm sure that the cree MC-E will also be too big.
There was an SSC p4 dropin made by yclo here but I don't think he'll be making these again for a while. You could post a WTB on the custom BST forum but they're quite rare to come by.
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Bronco
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Could this problem be solved with an aftermarket reflector? I'm not suggesting that one exists at present, just wondering if this is all that would be required to overcome this particular hurdle. Based on the link above, it seems as if there are some excellent incan lamps that would also become useful if such an aftermarket reflector were created.
It certainly could be done, but the problem is that the whole bezel is thread locked and opening it up is very tricky and may result in damage. Then there's also the issue of heatsinking. The P7 produces a lot of heat so needs much better heatsinking than the P4.
A "dropin" solution would need to be an entire lamp assembly with reflector, LED, electronics and good thermal contact with the M6 head. It would also need a tool for opening the bezel although I expect you would also need to apply heat. I'm picturing something like this only with a higher input voltage and specially designed to fit the M6.
You could always just wait for the KL9 head.
jumpstat
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The reflector in the M6 that makes it legendary. What you need is a tower module which is basically like a MN21/MN20 Light assembly but instead got a led.
If you search through the custom B/S/T, cpfer yclo was selling some tower modules, which is just a drop in to the incan module. Maximum lumens was around 200 and that is due to current led limitation. Someone did mention that the P7 led is too big and wont fit through the reflector hole.
So until SSC or Cree developes a brighter LED than the current ones thats whats available.....
If you search through the custom B/S/T, cpfer yclo was selling some tower modules, which is just a drop in to the incan module. Maximum lumens was around 200 and that is due to current led limitation. Someone did mention that the P7 led is too big and wont fit through the reflector hole.
So until SSC or Cree developes a brighter LED than the current ones thats whats available.....
AKCamper
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I am not as enlightend as the rest of you on LED technology, so if you could tell me about the P7 and the cree MC-E and so on or if you know of other threds or sites with infor that would be helpfull.
And if a "P7" LEd would not fit, would it be posibull to machine the hole bigger?
And if a "P7" LEd would not fit, would it be posibull to machine the hole bigger?
JNewell
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I could easily be wrong, but I would have thought that an LED conversion for an M6 would be overkill?
Gunner12
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Milkyspit has done M6 mods. Others have probably done the same. Mods being more then drop-ins.
The only drop-in that I know of is the tower drop-ins and those don't seem to have much heatsinking.
A Seoul P7 is essentually 4 Seoul P4 LEDs in a single packet, the MC-E is similar as it also fits 4 Cree XR-E dies in a single packet. The MC-E allows the LEDs to be wired differently though while the P7 has all the dies wired in parallel. The MC-E is also smaller then the P7. They provide more light then their single die cousins but have a larging emitting area so they need a larger refelctor to have the same beam pattern as their smaller cousins.
The refelctor hole can probably be enlarged but that won't look to good with the incan module back in there. The space in the M6 also doesn't seem to allow too much heatsinking with a tower module.
I remember seeing 7 Crees fitted into a M6, presuming Q5, 1 amp to each LED, 80% driver efficiency, and 70% reflector + optic efficiency(probably higher in reality), that is 1100 something lumen from the light(1600 lumen at the LEDs) and a runtime of over 40 minutes. Less output would amount to more runtime of course(500 lumen out the front would give over 2 hours of runtime). Beam pattern would be different though.
The only drop-in that I know of is the tower drop-ins and those don't seem to have much heatsinking.
A Seoul P7 is essentually 4 Seoul P4 LEDs in a single packet, the MC-E is similar as it also fits 4 Cree XR-E dies in a single packet. The MC-E allows the LEDs to be wired differently though while the P7 has all the dies wired in parallel. The MC-E is also smaller then the P7. They provide more light then their single die cousins but have a larging emitting area so they need a larger refelctor to have the same beam pattern as their smaller cousins.
The refelctor hole can probably be enlarged but that won't look to good with the incan module back in there. The space in the M6 also doesn't seem to allow too much heatsinking with a tower module.
I remember seeing 7 Crees fitted into a M6, presuming Q5, 1 amp to each LED, 80% driver efficiency, and 70% reflector + optic efficiency(probably higher in reality), that is 1100 something lumen from the light(1600 lumen at the LEDs) and a runtime of over 40 minutes. Less output would amount to more runtime of course(500 lumen out the front would give over 2 hours of runtime). Beam pattern would be different though.
AKCamper
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This P7 thing shounds pretty cool are there any easy maglite mods with it? like something that i could just drop in and then modify the reflector?
If i enlarged an M^ reflector hole for something like this i probably wouldnt be puting the incan bulb back in.
And last of all the battery setup.
What would be the best battery setup for an M^ with a P7 mod? I do like lots of lumens but i think i like not changing batteries often more.
If i enlarged an M^ reflector hole for something like this i probably wouldnt be puting the incan bulb back in.
And last of all the battery setup.
What would be the best battery setup for an M^ with a P7 mod? I do like lots of lumens but i think i like not changing batteries often more.
jumpstat
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Do look around the Custom B/S/T section. There you can find various mods being offered for M@g and the likes.
Have fun and hope you get what you are looking after...
One good example of a M@g with P7 led would be this creation by Mac http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=203281 and its still available.
