Any reason to not got Protected

jsoto

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I was all set to get new 18650GA non protected, figuring it would be cheaper, I now know to not overcharge batteries and drain them down, etc....aka, basic battery principals for a noob.

However the prices are not that much for the same 18650ga cell in protected. Any reason to not go the protected route ?
 
Differences:
Protected cells are longer.
Protected cell have higher internal resistance,
Protected cell cannot be over-discharged
Protected cell cannot be over-charged
Protected cell can easily handle a short.
Protected cell is more sensitive to physical abuse.
 
Protection circuits can fail and leave you in the dark, particularly if your light takes a hard fall. Some lights, like Emisar, Zebralight, and Lumintop FW3A do not fit protected cells.
 
When the protection kicks in you'll be left in the dark.
The protection circuit is a known source of failure.
The Lico cells that use the protection are inherently less safe than than IMR cells, hence the protection.
Most protection will trip at higher currents, so not suitable for high current draw.
Protected cells are longer than unprotected.

Oh, and I don't like them.
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You generally do no go for protected cells when tab welding battery packs as the entire cell bank is protected by a BMS.

For every other reason, go for a protected one.
 
The protection circuit is a known source of failure.
+1. I used to think protected was better, because: no harm in having a protection circuit as long as it doesn't trip, right? (and certainly no harm if it does trip! :p ). But as I learned more about Li-ion cells use & safety, protected cells are more of a gray area. Some pro's, some con's, even in terms of safety. Remember protection pcb's are produced cheaply. There's few components (= potential failure points) on there. But its construction or components may be poor quality.

For protected cells, protection pcb can fail at any random time just sitting there because the protection pcb is ALWAYS powered. For naked cells, that possibility does not apply. So in storage (>95% of the time in my case), cells are by definition safer without a protection pcb. Of course during (dis)charge it's a different story.

If I manage to damage a wrapper, cell casing may contact flashlight's inner tube wall. In lights I have, that comes down to bypassing the tail switch, so that light goes on regardless of switch state. Not something I want, but not really bad either.

Protected cells I have, have protection pcb at the bottom (-) side. So a connection strip runs on the side that connects to + pole (top). If I were to damage that cell's wrapper near the strip, you have the chance of a short circuit between + and -. That would be really bad. And if it were to happen with cell inside a light (say, when light is dropped), I wouldn't immediately see that damage occurring. Again this is a failure mode that does not apply to naked cells.

Protected cells have their uses. For example it would protect against failure of a light's electronics. Perhaps a better question is whether you need protected cells:

* Running cells in series, in a light that doesn't cut of when individual cell's voltage gets too low?
* Using cells in lights where you have really low confidence in the light's electronics? (for example: cheapo light with poorly cooled LED or driver)
* Only button tops fit & the ones you can find are protected cells?

In those cases: go with protected cells. Otherwise: not much point for protection pcb's (if any), naked cells are fine.
 
Doesn't the protection circuits get damaged if they are used in shotgun lights?
 
You will be careful with those cells, won't you?
LiCo cells are a lot less forgiving than IMR.
I gutted about a dozen a few years back, then one went rogue on me, I scrapped them all.
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You will be careful with those cells, won't you?
LiCo cells are a lot less forgiving than IMR.
I gutted about a dozen a few years back, then one went rogue on me, I scrapped them all.
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You talking to me? I am actually charging and discharging them now to see how they operate. I really dont want to trust them though. Im probably going to buy some pink wrapper Sanyo 16650's though. Sanyo cells were the cell to have back in my old school RC days ...lol

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I am right now gutting 4 keeppower 16650 that were reading 0V and dead. First one I gutted and bang 4.1V!
Have you tried the 'jump start' technique to revive them? From what I've read, sometimes protection circuit trips or 'gets stuck' for no apparent reason, and a short jolt of power from another cell (or suitable charger, bench power supply or whatever) puts it back in normal state.
 
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