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bwindussa

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Hello,

Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
I have worked in the law enforcement/corporate security field for 2 decades now.. I have worn out 2 4d-maglites in the last 20 years and I am looking for another good 'noggin klobber' to replace the poor beat up model I'm carrying now. In this time I have had a few too many "happy dances" where I ended up using the tool that was in my hand (flashlight) to stop a person's actions.

At 6 foot 2 and 260 pounds I'm not too worried about the weight of the light, in fact I would love a little more mass and "stopping power" than the 4d maglite.


0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?

____I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
____I am in North America. More precisely I am in ____Utah___________.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.

1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I only want to pay $1-10.
____I can spend $15-30.
__XX__I could spend $40-60.
____I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have no limit!

2) Format:

__XX__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.

3) Length:

____I don't care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
____24-29 inches. (Worn tucked into belt sort of sideways)

4) Width:
Not sure, I do have pretty stubby fingers. But length is a good thing.

5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.

___XX_I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)

6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

__XX__I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)


7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an "X" on the line below.

Throw (distance)---------XX--------|-------------------Flood/close-up


8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.

____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
__XX__240-360 min. (4-6 hours) This is negotiable
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)

9) Durability: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
___XXX_Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)

8) Switch Type:
I'm used to the clickie switch

9) Switch Location:
Once again, I'm used to a push switch on the side near the head.
____I don't care.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.

__XX__A simple on-off is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)

11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
Metal is nice and durable, and it hits harder.
____I don't care.
__XX__I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.

12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).

Well, if someone invented one with a "normal on" mode and it also had a "stunning brilliance" 'on only when pushed button' it would be cool.

Thank you all very much. I have literally almost no knowledge of all the new technologies being offered.:twothumbs
 
:welcome:
Most people go for tiny AA, AAA, CR123 flashlights that are brighter than the 4D flashlight. There are very few lights in the size you require.

Mag no longer makes a 4D LED Maglite. They may still be available in stores. (The biggest LED Maglite in Mag's product line is the 3D)
http://maglite.com/productline.asp
You can always buy another 4D Mag. Use it stock or upgrade with the Terralux TLE-6EX.
http://www.batteryjunction.com/tle-6k2.html
http://www.led-replacement.com/tle-6ex.html
You may find the discontinued Mag 4D LED upgrade module in stores.

Another company which makes law enforcement lights is Streamlight.
http://streamlight.com/market/market.aspx?mkid=1
 
I think the Luxeon Rebel 3D LED Maglite would be a good replacement, albeit a bit smaller. You can find a two-pack of the 3D and 2AA at Costco for $29.99 if you have access to one.
 
Hi there bwindussa...

I'm also new to the whole LED technology thing, and I'm currently searching around for my first flashlight (but my requirements are a lot different to yours).

In my travels, I came across this baby courtesy selfbuilt:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=231491



You'll note the "extra" side switch near the tail-cap for instant-on and/or instant strobe (the latter could be very useful for an LEO?).

It uses 2x 18650 Li-ion rechargeables, and you can buy 4 plus charger (with 2 charged in reserve) for around sixty bucks.

The major shortcoming — for any active LEO — is that it's not (in my humble and somewhat inexperienced opinion) a thief-taker. No weight; no bulk; not a weapon.

From selfbuilt's excellent (as always!) review — linked above — this is a pic of it in the hand:

M30-Hand2.jpg



As you can see, it ain't no 4D Louisville slugger!

The another issue you're gonna face is a 4- to 6-hour run-time. With any flashlight — similar in style to a "standard" Mag type — you're only looking at maybe 2 hours maximum on full output. Obviously, lower outputs equate to longer run-times, but again, selfbuilt's review should clarify that sufficiently for you.

The other thing you should note is the crenelated defense bezel (the shiny scalloped ring around the head). These are also good glass-breakers, as the stainless steel protects the softer alloy flashlight housing itself.

But, as already suggested, an upgrade to an LED Maglite — even a new one — with a drop-in emitter/reflector/lens is also a good solution, particularly if you want the light as a weapon. Bear in mind that such a mod may not have the same high output as a "dedicated" LED flashlight.

— Hope this helps a bit, Jack. :)
 
Thank you all for your replies. This is going to take some thinking time. It may just be that I follow LEDninja's option of getting another incandescent 4D maglite and upgrade it a little.

Does anyone make a 6D light? or do "extenders" even exist to lengthen one's reach?

Thanks again!:thumbsup:

Brad
 
Maglite has a 6D light, and if you're thinking about upgrades, they should be able to work with the 6D as well.
 
OOHH, yum yum yum!! holy and cow!!! now That's a light. Maybe I should have 2 lights. One to blind varmints :xyxgun:, and then one to clobber them :twak:. Hmmm.
 
__XX__I could spend $40-60.

I find the new 2nd generation Maglite MagLAED lights to be quite good. For your price range, you can get the 2xAA multi-mode MiniMagLED and either a 2D or 3D MagLED. The newest MagLED's use the Rebel LED emitter. In my experience, MagLite have always be rugged and reliable and now they are bright and efficient.

The 1st gen MagLEDs with the drop-in LED "bulb" were almost OK, just not very bright. I would advise against incan MagLites just because the new MagLEDs are so much more efficient.
 
In my experience, MagLite have always be rugged and reliable and now they are bright and efficient.

Several years back, I had a job where we used 2D MagLites often. Typically, a light would last 3-6 months before it had to be replaced under warranty.
 
Several years back, I had a job where we used 2D MagLites often. Typically, a light would last 3-6 months before it had to be replaced under warranty.

I used MagLite incans and later the MagLED's daily on one of my jobs as Electrical Control Systems Designer at an electrical engineering firm. We designed, redesigned and retrofitted power plant control systems. My job was to "as-built" the existing control system and wiring schemes which meant crawling inside control cabinets and boxes under the control rooms and in the coal fired and nuclear power plants. I used my Mag2D and MiniMag reliably for 4 years there without a single failure aside from changing out bulbs and batteries. Our teams were all given MagLites and plactic non-conductive lights for "short-sensitive areas" for this purpose and as far as I can remember, they experienced no failures also. Which is why I always qualify my statement to say "in my experience" because I do know there is always a flip-side to every story.
 
I used MagLite incans and later the MagLED's daily on one of my jobs as Electrical Control Systems Designer at an electrical engineering firm. We designed, redesigned and retrofitted power plant control systems. My job was to "as-built" the existing control system and wiring schemes which meant crawling inside control cabinets and boxes under the control rooms and in the coal fired and nuclear power plants. I used my Mag2D and MiniMag reliably for 4 years there without a single failure aside from changing out bulbs and batteries. Our teams were all given MagLites and plactic non-conductive lights for "short-sensitive areas" for this purpose and as far as I can remember, they experienced no failures also. Which is why I always qualify my statement to say "in my experience" because I do know there is always a flip-side to every story.

Don't get me wrong, our MagLites were not babied by any stretch of the imagination. They would get kicked, dropped, and occasionally even run over. They weren't intentionally abused; that was just the nature of the work environment. After a week of use, most people would probably guess that they were several years old, based on their appearance alone.
 
Don't get me wrong, our MagLites were not babied by any stretch of the imagination. They would get kicked, dropped, and occasionally even run over. They weren't intentionally abused; that was just the nature of the work environment. After a week of use, most people would probably guess that they were several years old, based on their appearance alone.

Ahhh...

I wonder if any light could stand up to that kind of use. Surefire maybe?
 
Yeah, I agree, those lights are a bit out of my price range:broke:. I might just order one of those 6D maglites and upgrade it as I go along. My last 2 maglites each lasted at least 10 years of good, tough service.

Thanks everyone for the recommendations and insight. I honestly never knew there was so much COOL stuff involved with flashlights...or should I call them 'hand held light cannons'?:crazy:
 
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I think Home Depot has the new LED Mags in a 2 pack... a 3D and a 2xAA for about $30. You will be amazed at the difference with the LED.Or get a small powerful light and an ASP baton!
 
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