As others have said, the lights we have and look for are THE cutting edge of the industry, even ahead of the industry as we (me included) go to custom modders like MilkySpit to mod our lights to perform in ways the industry would probably never do on any production level (like my Milky-Modded Surefire U2 with four 12mm reflectors and four Seoul LED's that crank out around 600 lumens on top end while keeping the same levels and runtimes for all levels and can use 18650 cells. Total price tag: approximately $500.00). The rest of the world still thinks Maglights are the best and the 3W Luxeon drop-in for the Mags are "cutting edge" as far as some Mag-Fans are concerned. Little do they know that their humble Mags could put out 1,000+ lumens in either LED or incan configurations. We just have to understand that we are at the front of the pack, and what others consider "bang for the buck" in the form of LuxI, LuxIII, low-bin K2's and Cree's, we Flashaholics have been there, done that, got the t-shirt, seen the movie, bought the DVD, lost the DVD, and forgot about it already.