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[geepondy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darell:
Today at the airport, my wife was stopped and searched because of a micro-sized Swiss Army Knife that she's had on her <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man Darell, you should have known better. There are signs everywhere at the airport! A few years ago when I flew last prior to this past April, I just threw my pocketknife on the conveyer belt along with my keys and not a word was said. I was wise enough to leave it at home this time as I read not even a plastic knife is allowed.

As a kid, I always carried a pocket knife and played games with other kids just like previous poster stated and I still usually carry a small three inch blade knife with me most of the working time. I never once thought about it as a weapon, only as a utility tool. I work in a professional environment but at times my job requirements are less then professional and the knife gets use. A couple of co-workers were surprised to see me pull it out so maybe I'll stop even doing that. Times have changed, no doubt about it.

 

[McGizmo]

Presumably there are no terrorists lurking here so I'll take a chance and make the following observation.

Unless things have changed in the last two months, there are plenty of materials which can be formed into destructive knives and tools which pass right through the metal detectors and yet Darell's family, and frankly everyone waiting to board a plane gets to spend a fair amount of extra quality time at the airport. Unless these terorists are dumb which is an oxymoron in itself, they can take the chance and pass on through.
If it weren't some damn serious with no obvious solutions, I'd be tempted to wear a trench coat covering a titanium snow shovel and crowbar and walk through the metal detector. Of course after passing through, I'd reveal my tools and ask politely if it was OK to proceed.

One A__ H___ takes explosives on board in his shoes and now look at all the random shoe checks. What if some joker trys it with a ballon as a suppository and is found out. Will we have random bendovers? That's what they do in prision if I can believe what I've read and heard. Short of sending two lines (men and women) through some disrobing and cavity searching, the bad guys have a chance and in the mean time how many idle hours collectively are wasted at the airports.

I think what bothers me most is that I don't think I have said anything wrong here although it may not be correct. I certainly don't know all the facts and my opinions are not well formed. What bothers me is that I am concerned whether it's right to openly discuss such matters on a forum like this. If we have to be guarded about what we say in public what comment is this on our sad state of affairs? Frankly, I'd like to see everybody boarding a plane be issued a buck knife in a sheath! That way I'd know every body on board was armed with a knife! Of course most of us wouldn't have a clue how to deffend ourselves with one but if some D___ H___ suddenly stood up with a knife and said something about taking over the plane he might have second thoughts if 300 passengers all brandished their standard issue bucks and said "I don't think so!"

 

[txwest]

Good point, Don. TX

 

[Luff]

When everyone is disarmed, those with trained fighting skills are still a deadly threat.

It's way past time for the FAA to require all airline passengers to be strapped into their seats with locking belts, arms and legs restrained, before an airplane departs the terminal.

Then, only the flight attendants could be a threat and we all know they can be trusted. Passengers should only be released from their seat restraints for bathroom runs when accompanied by no less than two armed air marshals.

Tongue firmly planted in cheek.

These silly security lines at the airports provide a huge 'comfort' factor to the traveling public and I suppose for that fact alone they have some social value. From a security standpoint, they seem a huge waste of time. To McGizmo's point, someone with sufficient determination, planning, cunning and lack of conscience can still defeat all the security. A plastic comb can be deadly, along with credit cards and bare hands.

I feel very secure when flying now. For the first time in my life, I know that if some idiot (or idiots) chooses to try something serious on my flight, that soul will meet the the combined physical wrath of my fellow passengers. I don't worry about terrorists trying the airplane thing again, at least not in this country (they'd be fools to try it with anything less than a platoon strength element and getting that many folks on board is a slim possibility).

For too many years, we were trained to be passive and let the 'professionals' take care of us. No more.

IMHO, we were way overdue realizing security isn't something the government can provide each of us all the time ... its up to you and me to look out for each other and to work together to make it real, right now. To be ready and to act, if needed.

But then, that's really always been the case, hasn't it?

End of rant. Way off topic!

 

[Graham]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luff:

It's way past time for the FAA to require all airline passengers to be strapped into their seats with locking belts, arms and legs restrained, before an airplane departs the terminal.
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Well, I reckon they could just whack everyone on the head as they go on board, and just stack 'em in there. Make seating allocation a lot easier too. I know I'd be a lot happier to spend all my flights in blissful unconsciousness..
Or maybe just gas the whole cabin.
(Tongue VERY firmly planted in cheek..)

Graham
(I've been waiting for one of the Moderator dudes to wave the wand of off-topicness and move this to the cafe, but it aint happened..)

 

[Luff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Graham:
Well, I reckon they could just whack everyone on the head as they go on board, and just stack 'em in there ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No more overbooking! Flights filled to capacity! Cheaper rates! I like it.

 

[The_LED_Museum]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Henry Mudd:
We recently had a young lady removed from school as she had brought a platic action figure to school which had a teeny plastic knife in its hand. Sometimes I wonder if we haven't gone to far. The rest of the time I am sure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here in Washington (Warshington, for some of you)

this kind of thing happens all the time. Many children have been expelled from Washington elementary schools for having such "illegals" as a plastic toy solider with a toy gun moulded into its arm (they'll CUT OFF THE GUN, give it back to the kid, and then expel him!), plastic cutlery in their lunches, bent paper clips, some types of ballpoint pens, any toy with non-rounded edges (model airplanes, cars, starships, and the like), tweezers, fingernail files (and other articles commonly found in children's toilet kits), penlights, the stylus from a palm pilot, plastic drinking straws (only paper straws are allowed, apparently), any kind of water-emitting device (remember those bright green transparent squirt pistols we all had as a kid?) and other equally asinine things. I'm surprised they don't toss a kid for bringing his dangerous, razor sharp HOUSE KEYS to class anymore!!

When I was a kid, I probably brought *all* of this stuff to school at some point or other and nary a word was said. In 6th grade, I brought a jar of aqueous copper sulfate solution, a 6v spring-top lantern battery, and a bunch of wires and bulbs to class, and the teacher said "Go ahead and set it up over there" while pointing to a small alcove with a sink in it. He didn't expel me for it, he didn't pour the copper sulfate down the drain, he didn't confiscate the battery, nothing. Try that today and see what a heap of trouble you'll find yourself in. That's probably worth at least a full year's expulsion and a rap sheet.

 

[Atrick-Pay]

Warning Soap Box mode: ON

Man, Take your CRKT KISS! Take a Stiff KISS!

As long as the good people worry about what
we can or can't do the bad guys win.

I carry my LCS (Large Classic Sebenza) where
EVER I go. My simple words to live by:
"I go with my knife and my knife goes with me."

Soap Box mode: Off

I'd just take the Arc light and the knife
( and watch...etc)

 

[bwcaw]

I have carried a knife EVERYDAY since I was about eight or nine (I am sixteen now) and never had any problems. I even walked right through the "security" metal detectors in the Omaha airport with a 4" sheath blade on my hip! I was about 10 at the time and the nice lady at the detector asked my mother what I was doing with such a large knife, my mother told her that I lived on a farm, and use it everyday, and she let me past! Needless to say, I don't do that anymore, last time I flew, I took my crkt crawford\kasper with me, I just put it in my luggage, and retrieved it when I got to my destination. It is still possible to carry a knife anywhere around where I live without any trouble. BTW, I don't go to public school so I don't know what the rules for knives are around here.

It is interesting to note that the terrorist
dirtbags that hijacked those airplanes didn't
choose to do it in the midwest, maybie they thought they would have a better chance in the east where the people have fewer weapons, and more laws to "protect them".

 

[patg]

BuddTX,
Well said. Perfect.

Pat

 

[BuddTX]

If you ABSOLUTELY NEED a light, take a Inova Microlight, or a Photon, or some other 2016 coin cell keychain light.

Are you going to be on the 10th floor of some building or like a minute away from an exit door?

Do you really need a light?

Concentrate on taking your SAT.

Good luck!

 

[TrevorNasko]

although i check my knife in with my bag in the airport i makesure that is the first thing i grab when i get the bag back- i never feel totally secure unless it is at my side with a surefire.

if they choose to bar me -an eagle scout mind you - from anywhere because of a knife -well i start considering whether or not i really want to go there.

at school i either carry a gerber river runner(yes the pionty one) or a switch blade or a flickit- no substatutes- my teachers all know that i do this and im the only one who is allowed to do this.

 

[Darell]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geepondy:
Man Darell, you should have known better. There are signs everywhere at the airport!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: The knife in question was on my WIFE'S keyring. We aren't the same person, and I never considered actaully searching my wife before flying. She's a big girl. She should have thought of it, for sure. But like I said, she's carried that knife with her forever, including sevearl flights post 9/11. Pre-flight strip searches (performed by me) will now be mandatory for her...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by McGizmo:
Presumably there are no terrorists lurking here so I'll take a chance and make the following observation.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I so agree with your observations, Don. Here it is OK for me to board the plane with a ball-point pen! I think I'd rather be attacked with my wife's 1" nailfile, than with my 7" ballpoint pen. I just can't figure out what they're really looking for. And remember that I made it back through with pocket full of metal, AND my cell phone. I can't help thinking that these new measures are mostly in place to make the non-bomb-toting passengers feel better. My pilot neighbor is bothered by going through the same security measures just to then climb into the cockpit which is complete with his crash axe in place.

If anybody is willing to die for their cause, they need no weapon at all. We need to create some sort of zealot-screening process, and let the nail-clippers go through.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aragorn *V2*:
if they choose to bar me -an eagle scout mind you - from anywhere because of a knife -well i start considering whether or not i really want to go there.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm afriad that being an Eagle Scout doesn't count for much in our brave new world. I am an Eagle Scout (Order of the Arrow, mind you), a graduate from a major university, a loving husband and father, and a relatively mature, responsible and law-abiding individual. Yet I'm still not allowed to vouch for my wife's silly little blade at the airport. I think some of the zippers on my carry-on are more dangerous than that little blade. The antenna on my cell phone could cause more damage.

OK, long enough rant...

Graham - I agree. This doesn't really belong here in the light forum. When I tried to move it, I was rudely reminded that I have no priviledges in general lights...

 

[Empath]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darell:

This doesn't really belong here in the light forum. When I tried to move it, I was rudely reminded that I have no priviledges in general lights...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

May I help? We'll put it here where your privileges are in full swing.

 

[ToddM]

As for carrying a Ti shovel through a airport you may get a neat surprize if you try that one depending on the airport.

Some of the current metal detectors use eddy currents instead of magnetic signatures. If they use the newer eddy current models they will pick up Ti as easily as steel.

The points made are good ones, certainly a 3/4" SAK knife is not a big threat. However most people wouldn't consider a box cutter a threat either and well they proved that one wrong in a big way. On planes there's just no good way to secure them from what I have seen. There will always be ways to get around security so trying to remove anything that could be a weapon will never work. Of course putting cops or US marshals on planes with guns is a even worse idea but I digress.


As for knives in schools.....in a public k-12 school these days I wouldn't carry one if you paid me. People are WAY too intolerent of weapons in schools these days. While all your teachers might let you be the ONLY one they let do it all it takes is one kid to complain or mention it to thier parents and one phone call and your on the chopping block. Being a boy scout does't make you above the law or rules that schools put forth. Those teachers are not going to petition to keep you in school and they are not the ones that are going to get in trouble. Aside maybe being reminded of the policy and to keep a better eye out for knives in the classroom.

In college, that really depends on your local laws. As I understand it here in ND having a knife at a college is not illegal (disclaimer here, I'm not a legal council, check your local laws first it may well be illegal on colleges even in ND as well)....HOWEVER every college I know of has a policy against knives, weapons, etc. So while you may not end up in jail, you will probably be expelled. Between the cost of a year of school and the fact you'll have to take that year over it could well be a nice $25,000 screw up. Not to mention good luck after all that press and that on your transfer record getting into another college. I'd guess they'd frown on admitting a student expelled from another college for carrying a weapon.

That said, at our college here I've seen a lot of pocket knives, and as far as I know no one has ever been expelled for it. Being in ND people are a little less paranoid than most places about things like pocket knives but again, it's really not worth the penalties to be able to whip out a knife in class and impress your friends while opening a box etc.


Todd

 

[Darell]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Empath:
May I help? We'll put it here where your privileges are in full swing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmm. Yeah, thanks. I think. Gotta be more careful what I ask for in the future.

 

[brightnorm]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darell:

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darell,

This is a completely off topic question. Can you please tell me (step by step if possible) how to get those multiple quotes in a post?

Many thanks,
Brightnorm

 

[lightlover]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brightnorm:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The above appears because the machine is instructed to show it that way by:

[ QUOTE ]Originally posted by xxxxxxxx:
[ QB ]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[ /QB ][ /QUOTE ]

The lower example shows the codes, but with added spaces at the square brackets to leave them inactive.

Just copy the code that the "Reply With Quote" icon gives you, and paste the text inbetween the code. Remember not to leave spaces after or before the code, it just confuses the machine.
Like "the end ... " [ /Quote ] There, the blank space between the end of the --> ... "
and the first --> [ square bracket can cause the machine to disregard the code.

Or, you can use "Reply With Quote", and collect the whole thing, paste that into an e-mail (or Word), edit the quotes as you want and paste the whole lot into the "message entry" window.

lightlover

(Having said that, I got to go check the topic for the latest advice on bandwidth saving)

 

[Darell]

Yeah. What Jahn said.

These days, I typically just "build my own."

Any time you forget what the code is, just click the "quote" button above a post you want to quote. That'll plunk the proper UBB code into your post. You can then modify/copy it as you see fit.

 

[TrevorNasko]

i dont go to public school . i guess i forgot that.