Duracell 4 place "Smart" charger at WM

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I picked up one of these today. It is a rather sleek little thing with a 3 segment charge indicator for each position.

I have placed four Lenmar N0-Mem 2000mAh batteries in it that I hadn't even SEEN in at least a year.

At about 4 hours gone by, two positions show fully charged, and the other two aren't far behind. Oh and the positions that are charged are staggered, not side-by-side so it very well could be somewhat smart!

Instructions say among other things "unpug the charger and remove the batteries when the gree LEDs light up". So I guess it doesn't have trickle.

All in all I think it might be a pretty good thing since it doesn't really blast the batteries.

Thoughts? Other users?
 
If you're talking about the Duracell Power Guage charger, I've had one of those since late last year. I've observed AA cells taking different amounts of time to charge, so it's not like it's on a timer. And the charge indicators light differently for each of the different channels, so I believe it actually is a 4 channel (kinda)smart charger.
I use it for a travel charger, so it hasn't gotten a tremendous amount of use, as but it has worked well the times I've used it.
 
I have some Hybrids in it right now. I only started them about 30 minutes ago, but I have it writing down when it started and the started V of the batts.

When I interupted the cycle with the old No-Mems the two with a green light wern't even warm, nor were the other two. But it wouldn't re-start on the other two so I finished them on my C Crane Quick Charger.

At about 50 minutes on the Hybrids there is but one light showing on each channel.

I will report when done.

Incidently the two No-Mems that finished had 1.49x each and like I said they never seemed to get even warm.
 
I'll be interested in your feelings about this charger. Been wanting one that's at least a little "smart". I assume you can put just one battery in there if you want. Thanks for the info.

Geoff
 
Since I was going to asleep when the Duracell charger finished and I don't know what the long term effects of leaving battery(ies) in it after finish...

I finished that set in my C Crane Quick Charger.

It does in fact seem that one battery will charge up fine in the Duracell.

If I can just (and on Saturday I think I can) determine what happens after the green led lights up, I believe it will in fact be a decent charger.
 
It was just under $20 (like $19.96 or so) and will do 4AA or AAA. It comes with four 1700mAh AAs.

Note: I put one Rayovac 1800mAh battery at about 1.2V in the Duracell before going bowling. That was about 2 hours and 45 minutes ago.

At this point only two segments are showing. Ergo it doesn't seem to do one battery any FASTER than four. And it probably won't go green before I hit the sack.

I guess I'll see if the battery is hot and what the V is in the morning.
 
If you can, at about 1hr. 58min. into the charge, watch the LED indicator lights for a couple minutes.

I have this charger and would be interested in your observations.
 
It was still at two segments when I hit the sack last night.

This morning the green light was on. The battery was cool to the touch.

The ending V was 1.43. Apples to oranges maybe, but when two of the the NO-Mems had green and I got the batteries out shortly after that point the ending V was 1.49.

It seems utterly possible that when the green light comes on all charging stops.

In any case it doesn't seem that doom will come if batteries are left in the thing for a while after green.
 
It seems utterly possible that when the green light comes on all charging stops.

In any case it doesn't seem that doom will come if batteries are left in the thing for a while after green.

Hey PBJS, I had to give this a try, as I like the idea of independent smart chargers with good feedback on each channel and a lower, gentler charge rate. It delivers all of the above.

I was able to sneak my DMM leads in while lifting a cell on charge to measure current (AA channel), and I got about 375 ma, which factoring in some resistance in the DMM, says it is right on spec with the 400 ma claimed on the back for AA. Next I took a finished cell and did the same, but I could not get anything on the 10 amp scale, so I tried the 200 ma scale. I saw fluctuating readings between a high of 58 ma and a low of less than two ma. My conclusion is that it seems to go into a slow, pulsed charge after completion - very nice! I agree completely that this should be safe to leave cells in for many hours after charging, although I am never one to leave a charger on with cells in "until I need them", as some of my old Ni-Cad chargers recommended.

To some of the earlier questions, this is a four INDEPENDENT channel charger, and can take 1, 2, 3 or four cells at once, in ANY combination of AA and AAA.

Hondo
 
That is NOT the one I have.

And that we are talking about.

Target and Walmart (and who knows where else) have this for right at $20.

Seems like a better deal with almost every post in this thread!
 
The name is the "Duracell Power Gauge Charger". The only number on the Duracell packaging I can find is "CEF21NC". On the Wallmart receipt, it rang as item number 004133305335, $19.84. Has three red led's that progressively light up as the battery charges, on each channel, followed by a fourth green one to indicate charge complete. There is also a USB port to charge devices meant to charge off of a computer USB port. This only works when no batteries are on charge. A/C cord plugs into unit with no wall wart, no 12v car outlet option. The package includes four 1700 mah AA Duracell NiMH's. Hope this helps.

Hondo
 
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Just for jollies, I put the 1700mAh Duracells that came in the package with the charger into it a while ago.

It is charging them faster than any other battery(ies) I've yet put in it.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of it...
 
lumenal, that is a good read. I don't want to sound like I am defending something that claims to do a bit more than it really does, but it may not be quite as bad as you and Turbo first thought. First, from both of your tests, it was able to detect a near full cell and peak it in under an hour, so it is not starting with a "dumb" two hour timer that just starts advancing the lights regardless of cell condition. If that were the case, the near full cell would start getting warm very soon, and just cook for two hours plus. From my own experience, as you seem to have always started each channel at the same time, I can stick on a cell any time while other bays are mid-charge, and it works the same, so for whatever type of cycle the bays are capable of, it is truly independent on all four channels.

Now I am only hypothesizing, but with regard to the two hour second light, I wonder if when a cell requiring substantial charging is detected the charger may be using different rates through the cycle (lower near full charge?), and this light coming on is a shift point. That might explain why it takes so long, as 400 ma straight out should get it done quicker than what I have seen. I will try to get measurements during the 2nd and 3rd light phases, as I have succeeded in getting my amp meter in between the negative contact and the battery, lifting the battery with the probe. At 375 ma through my meter at the start of charge, I have no beef with the 400 ma claim, just the total charge time claim.

The one thing I am still thrilled with on this charger is that for most of the charge, the cells stay nice and cool, and even near peak are at least no warmer (cooler, I am pretty sure) than in my Titanium TG700 or my Rayovac "smart" charger, which only does pairs.

I will try to get these mid-charge currents to help unravel the mystery, but it may be that what we have here is a "semi-smart", independent channel charger. I still have no reason to suspect having gotten less than what I payed for, and the report on those 1700 mah batteries is a bonus. Again, my big ambition was a less-fast charger that took it a bit easier on the cells, not getting so hot as in my other chargers. I had tried an Energizer 30 minute charger and just couldn't believe how hot the cells were, for the WHOLE charge cycle, so I returned that. And I can imagine what over 10 amps into a cell in the 15 minute one must do. I am just never in that much of a hurry and would like to take advantage of the longer cell life of the slower charge rate, but with some sort of intelligent shutoff and the ability to do odd numbers of cells, which this charger seems so far to be doing fine.

Hondo
 
Hondo - I'm glad that link to the other thread provided some more insight on this charger. And I'm looking forward to any more measurements you may be able to get.

But - bottom line, I like this charger! I'm charging four 2000 mAh cells right now, as I type this, on this Power Gauge charger.

And I have noticed, like you, that the cells are a nice, comfortable "luke warm" temperature. I've never noticed any cells ever getting hot while charging.

And yes, it may be "semi-smart", or maybe smarter than we think, but its still an independent channel charger thats easy on the cells. And capable of charging any number (up to 4) or combo of AA or AAA cells.

I find it interesting you can pop a cell in anytime during a previously started charge, and that the most recent cell will start charging like normal. I have yet to try that.

And for a bit less than $20, at the local Wal*Mart and Target. Even Circuit City and Rite-Aid are stocking these chargers now! :wave:

And, those included, over-achieving Duracell 1700s are just icing on the cake. I've used them for at least 6 months now, (maybe just 25 cycles), but they are still holding up great! :thumbsup:
 
Yes, it may not be a C-9000 competitor, but I think it is at least one of the best under $20 deals out there. In fact, I went to pick up a second one at the same Walmart, but the other two were gone from the rack since Friday. Worse, the tag on the end of the peg was removed! I went to three more along my route to go mountain biking and finally found six in stock at the last one, and grabbed one. I am glad to hear other stores are picking it up, as it could be Walmart is dropping it, at least in my area.

I got back late, so no time to try for measurements, but I have a nice, 1/2 dead 1800 Rayovac from the Fenix I had on my helmet for the ride, so hopefully tonight I can try for mid-charge currents. I only get one shot, since a tiny slip at the positive end will restart the charge cycle. I had problems with my meter causing the Rayovac smart charger to flash an error, but for some reason this charger tolerates my meter, on both the 10 amp and 200 ma scales. I wonder if it is because I am letting the charge start first, then seperating the battery from the terminal with the leads already touching, rather than trying to start the charge by touching the lead to the battery end - I will have to see if I can do it that way on the old Rayovac.

Hondo
 
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