Duracell Mini Charger Question

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I picked up this charger for $7...I think it is a steal:

  • smart charger for one to two batteries
  • low currents for gentle charge
  • overtemp protection/alkaline detection
  • international voltage operation from 100V to 240V
I doubt it is using negative dv/dt detection at such low currents...here's my question to other owners:

If I put a single battery on the left side, the red charge LED comes on. If I do the same for the "right side", the red LED does not come on. It seems to indicate that a single battery is charged only in the left bank.

Is my unit defective ?
 
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It could be that the charger starts on the left. Maybe it detects a cell in the left slot and starts charging, then detects the cell in the right slot if there is one there and charges that too. If however it doesn't detect anything in the left slot maybe it doesn't bother looking further down the line at the right slot.


Just a thought.

EDIT: BTW, is that the one that looks like a computer mouse?
 
It could be that the charger starts on the left. Maybe it detects a cell in the left slot and starts charging, then detects the cell in the right slot if there is one there and charges that too...BTW, is that the one that looks like a computer mouse?

I googled the answer for a single battery...it does so only in the left hand slot. I then opened up the display flap and found instructions printed on inside fold to confirm a single battery operation.

I accidentally came across a link to this charger where it won an award for "Product of the Year" by a group called TNS....It has intrigued me, so I'm running tests on it. This may be the best bang for the buck charger out there today providing it can reliably terminate at low currents...tests are forthcoming
 
Looking forward to the results.

They're expensive on the shelves here (about 18 Euros / $26) so I have avoided them until now, but if the results are good I might look for one or two on ebay.
 
Also interested in the results too. :)

I need a portable independent channel charger, and hopefully these come with Duraloops too (can't tell from the packaging :().
 
I don't have the duracell charger but the energizer duo charger is nice, comes with a USB to AC adapter and you can download a program that monitors charge from a computer. 1 or 2 cell smart charger.
 
I don't have the duracell charger but the energizer duo charger is nice, comes with a USB to AC adapter and you can download a program that monitors charge from a computer. 1 or 2 cell smart charger.

I've seen those in store but assumed they were charge in pairs only.
If they charge each slot individually I might take another look.
 
I've seen those in store but assumed they were charge in pairs only.
If they charge each slot individually I might take another look.
I'm not sure...I think perhaps they can charge a single cell in slot #1, or a pair of cells in both slots. But I don't know if the pair is charged with two individual channels...?
 
I picked up this charger for $7...I think it is a steal...

...I doubt it is using negative dv/dt detection at such low currents...

Test for how well batteries suit your charger - Test G (Duracell CEF20, right?)


Gave it to my Dad to maintain the AAAs for the $30 "Personal Sound Amplifier" I got him in place of $3-4K for hearing aids. It takes 1 AAA which (alkaline specs) is supposed to last 30 hours, IIRC. I just have him swap cells once-a-month. Gives him just the 'boost' he needed for church and Senior Citizen meetings, where the speaker was too far away for him to make out what they were saying.

...If I put a single battery on the left side, the red charge LED comes on. If I do the same for the "right side", the red LED does not come on. It seems to indicate that a single battery is charged only in the left bank...
:thumbsup:

Looking forward to the results...

...if the results are good I might look for one or two on ebay.

IIRC (might be in one of my previous posts), I paid ~$7 at Target. IMHO, this is a SIMPLE Charger for a NON-RECHARGEABLE CELL FAN with only a handful of cells, like my Dad. At 94, this was his introduction to rechargeables. I intentionally gave him a pair of WHITE RadioShack LSD AAA NiMHs because the DuraLoops and DuraBrids I have look too much like the Duracells he's used to buying (and throwing away).

For a small, portable charger, I bought the Duracell Mobile Charger CEF23DX4 (with the 12VDC adapter) a few months ago for ~$16 from DrugStore.Com. Terminates better than the CEF20.
 
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For a small, portable charger, I bought the Duracell Mobile Charger CEF23DX4 (with the 12VDC adapter). Terminates better than the CEF20.

For a small portable charger I have....., 4 of them.
And 2 of the Eneloop MQH03.

I know, it's a sickness, don't judge me. :sick:

I was thinking of this mini charger for the mother-in-law, just for AAA, but I suppose I should really part with one of the mobile chargers for her.

I only have myself to blame, which idiot do you think gave her eneloops for her 4D Mag? :ohgeez:
 
Thanks to you guys, I just purchased a CEF23DX2 on Ebay for $16.98. :ohgeez:

I guess the Mini Charger would be perfect for a casual user. I personally need the quad independent channels and had been searching for (and for a good deal on) the CEF23 for a while.
 
Well, if it can't charge a single battery on the right, then it doesn't charge two batteries independently (and not to mention the fact that it doesn't have two LEDs).
 
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I'm not sure...I don't know if the pair is charged with two individual channels...?
....so that means it charges two in series.
Well, if it can't charge a single battery on the right, then it doesn't charge two batteries independently (and not to mention the fact that it doesn't have two LEDs).
The number of LEDs could tell you if is an independent channel but not necessarily. The Sanyos chargers are examples of independent channel chargers that share one LED. Based upon the electical configuration(see configuration below), the unit charges two cells in series. It would mean that the sensing circuit alters it's connection when the second battery is added.

....bang for the buck charger out there today providing it can reliably terminate at low currents...tests are forthcoming
Looking forward to the resultsif the results are good I might look for one or two on ebay.
...For a small, portable charger, I bought the Duracell Mobile Charger CEF23DX4 ...Terminates better than the CEF20.

I've done some tests and measurements on the charger...it is an interesting design. While it does seem to take a while to terminate, this may be deliberate and the result of the low currents involved. Higher charging currents will result in faster/larger changes in voltage in a given time and allow decisions to made earlier. Slower charging is gentler and allows for more time margin before overheating occurs.


With batteries removed, the open circuit measurements (~9V) indicate a current source design (good) on both positive terminals. When a single battery is placed on the left, the right (empty) terminal drops to about 4.3V (???).

AA Configuration: The left postiive charge terminal seems to be electrically connected to the negative terminal of the right bay. This indicates that the circuits do charge in series for two cells.
Update:
I ran a definitive test (by isolating nodes) to prove that all the current for the left bay came from (and through) the right bay when charging two cells. It also showed that the electrical topology (where current came from for the left bay) altered when charging just one battery. Despite the marketing claims, this charger is not truly a indepedent channel charger when charging two batteries. It is only true for one battery operation and in that case, you lose the ability to balance the cells simultaneously.
Termination Experiment: I performed a number of tests using some batteries that terminated well with a 2 hour fast charger (i.e. about 1A charging current) using


  1. two 600mAH NiCads
  2. two older 16000 mAH Rayovac NiMH batteries
These batteries were discharged of 33mAH of charge that I'll refer to as the partial amount. Based upon the 280mA charge rate and charge inefficiency (0.66), the batteries would have ideally terminated in about 10 minutes.

Single Channel Results:

  1. Alkaline battery: detected within 15 seconds
  2. Both Nicads termninate in about 20 minutes (100% overcharge of partial amout). Relative to the capacity, this is a 5.5% excess.
  3. One Nimh cell(sample B) was found not to terminate after six hours when charged fresh from storage. Battery was barely warm.

    Afterconditioning the battery with a few charge/discharge cycles using the fast charger and resting overnight, it terminated after 40 minutes. Results is 300% overcharge of partial amout). Relative to the capacity, this is a 6.1% excess charge. Battery was barely warm.
  4. Second NiMH battery had similar results without need for discharge cycles.
The results indicate that charger is smart in being able stop the charging early for an nearly full battery...some of them that are not very vibrant and that are known to need higher charge rates to generate the stopping signal.

One of things that I dislike most is a missed termination. It causes the battery to get pretty hot and (I think) lose it's vibrancy. It alters the nature of the battery forever and can be termed a destructive cycle. One of the nice things about the mini charger is the gentleness on the unit as the batteries are at worst slightly warm. If the NiMh can tolerate this condition, then this provides an opportunity for batteries charged in series to "equalize" the fullness of charge....providing they started out unequally discharged.

The following have not been looked at in detail:
AAA batteries: Preliminary results with the lower current (110mA) AAA charging circuit using eneloop (vibrant) batteries need to be re-run before I can comment.

Two channel/batttery results have not yet been run but the paired voltage of 3.1V seems to be critical to termination.

The mini charger with AA batteries should prove to be a good overnight charger that is gentle on batteries. Unlike the timed chargers, it has the ability to top up batteries smartly. Due to the low current, it has a dead time zone of about twenty minutes that it needs to evaluate the charging trend prior to making decisions to terminate a charging cycle. It is a great example of technology filtering down to entry level...now if only it had another LED!
 
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