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Painting your house exterior white can help. I realize that with some HOA's that may not be possible, but choose as light a color as you can will help some.
excessive heat, how do you protect your house during a heat wave?
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How much $ you got? Look up Ambition Strikes on YouTube. Riley and Courtney spent $50K on a solar and battery system big enough it took two solid weeks of overcast North Idaho weather to run out of juice. They also have a military surplus diesel generator and this year added more PV panels as an awning over their second floor deck, charging a battery stack in the first floor shop. The huge PV array is mounted to a shipping container up the hill from their "Barndominium".
Why the huge system? They need it to run a CNC plasma cutter, arc welders, and other fun metal working equipment. A while back they posted a how do we afford all this? video. Years of hard work, a lot of it.
There are DC and AC/DC powered mini split heat pumps. I'm a proponent of using dedicated solar systems for certain loads that one wants to always work no matter what happens with the main PV system. If one has the room, install a DC powered mini split and give it its own set of solar panels and battery large enough to run it and optimized for the DC voltage it uses. That eliminates conversion losses changing voltage and/or changing between AC and DC. Not having to tap off a different DC voltage just for the heat pump simplifies the main system that's providing plain old AC for all the rest of the house equipment.
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For portable ACs, only get the ones with a dual hose so they pull in outside air through the condenser instead of taking cooled inside air and blowing it outside. Got a single hose model? Get creative with coroplast and Gorilla tape to make a plenum over the air intake, with a piece of 4" diameter insulated flexible duct run outside. Why insulated? So the warmer outside air doesn't radiate heat through the hose. May as well replace the exhaust hose with insulated flexible duct so more heat goes out.
Hasn't anyone tried an air-to-air heat exchanger with a swamp cooler? Have the heat exchanger inside the room, arranged so the dampened air goes in then right back outside. Inside air would circulate through the other passages of the intercooler without touching the wet air. Such intercoolers are off the shelf items for use in super tightly sealed houses so that fresh air can be brought in from outside and chilled by outgoing 'bleed air' that may be higher in things like CO2 and combustion byproducts from a gas stove.
Seems like a no-brainer to apply the tech to a swamp cooler.
Hasn't anyone tried an air-to-air heat exchanger with a swamp cooler? Have the heat exchanger inside the room, arranged so the dampened air goes in then right back outside. Inside air would circulate through the other passages of the intercooler without touching the wet air. Such intercoolers are off the shelf items for use in super tightly sealed houses so that fresh air can be brought in from outside and chilled by outgoing 'bleed air' that may be higher in things like CO2 and combustion byproducts from a gas stove.
Seems like a no-brainer to apply the tech to a swamp cooler.
During the 2022 heat wave I posted this:
The AC in this house struggles when the outside temps reach 88F.
My windows crank out, and the opening is too small to put my 10,000 BTU unit in it. So I devised a way to lie it on the floor of the family room, through the sliding door, and fill the top with a hard sheet of polyvinyl foam. It works well, but the house is not secure when it is there so I have to take it out when we leave, and only put it back in when needed.
This past week it has been needed every day. A real PIA. SO I ordered a 14,000 btu dual hose portable, and installed it yesterday morning.
Despite it being 93F it is blowing 53 F air.
It is a 110V unit and can be powered by my generator if there is a power outage.
The AC in this house struggles when the outside temps reach 88F.
My windows crank out, and the opening is too small to put my 10,000 BTU unit in it. So I devised a way to lie it on the floor of the family room, through the sliding door, and fill the top with a hard sheet of polyvinyl foam. It works well, but the house is not secure when it is there so I have to take it out when we leave, and only put it back in when needed.
This past week it has been needed every day. A real PIA. SO I ordered a 14,000 btu dual hose portable, and installed it yesterday morning.
Despite it being 93F it is blowing 53 F air.
It is a 110V unit and can be powered by my generator if there is a power outage.
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@Poppy you might want to insulate the exhaust of the mobile AC, what @Galane wrote just reminded me of how we used the mobile AC:
even with the insulation, you can see it leaking 33 °C / 92 °F heat right back into the room:
I apparently don't have the "without" thermal image anymore, but it was something like 60 °C / 140 °F on the exhaust side, so it helps a lot to have something on there.
even with the insulation, you can see it leaking 33 °C / 92 °F heat right back into the room:
I apparently don't have the "without" thermal image anymore, but it was something like 60 °C / 140 °F on the exhaust side, so it helps a lot to have something on there.
My wife pours some milk in an insulated cup for coffee. When done she puts it back in the fridge.
Thanks chance.SWEET upgrade!
Yes it was. This is a rental and we'll be leaving next year, so I won't put any long term improvements into it. But I can't believe that the owner's lived here for four years, without making improvements. They must have truly suffered in the heat during the summers.
First there is an attic/whole house fan that wasn't connected. I connected it to a thermostatically controlled power source. That made a huge difference.
Next the South facing sliding patio doors, needed some reflective film, that I added.
During the summer, I add reflective mylar to the bay windows on the West facing wall, that makes a huge improvement in the reduction of calories gained.
I cleaned the condenser coil of the central AC unit, that also made a significant improvement.
I had a roll of 3 inch insulation left over from another project, and added that to a section of the attic, that had only about 1 inch of insulation! That made an improvement. If it were my house, I'd add a layer in the entire attic.
And finally, I added that 14,000 dual hose AC unit. After all the improvements, it probably is not really necessary, but pleasant to have.
I hate to admit that we don't work really hard to conserve energy, and set our thermostat at 71-72F. I've lived and worked in a temperature controlled environment all my adult life, such that I don't tolerate temps above 76F very well.
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What?
It's hot every summer. Our house has eves, so the mid-day sun doesn't shine into the house.
It's hot every summer. Our house has eves, so the mid-day sun doesn't shine into the house.
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Typical oscillating fan uses ~150 watts on high. The 18" is probably more. Low speed power usage is probably 75% of high.
Indoor fans have their place. But people don't realize that a hot layer of air at the ceiling effectively acts as insulation. A fan, if it disturbs this layer, can actually increase the indoor temp.
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With fans I'm ok up to say 80 deg inside, but sleeping at night is the problem. I can't get to sleep if I've got a fan blowing directly on me; it's like having someone randomly poke me as I'm trying to sleep (because of the irregular air flow hitting me).
I aim the fan up at the ceiling so that there is just a slight air current drifting over me and that works. But if it's 80 or higher in the bedroom then that's still not enough air flow to be comfortable.
It'd help if the mattress was water-cooled or something. Lying on a mattress is HOT when the weather is warm and sticky!
I aim the fan up at the ceiling so that there is just a slight air current drifting over me and that works. But if it's 80 or higher in the bedroom then that's still not enough air flow to be comfortable.
It'd help if the mattress was water-cooled or something. Lying on a mattress is HOT when the weather is warm and sticky!
turbodog
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If we are talking about the outdoor unit... this is something you can't do until it's time to replace it, but I've got my unit on an 18" high monolithic concrete platform. Keeps it well up from lawn mowers, weedeaters, and other random damage/impacts.
It also keeps the coils remarkably clean. Go figure.
HVAC guy loves it also.
turbodog
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Pricey, but the best desktop fan I've ever had. The 'turbo' is really high, but the real gem is the whisper low setting. Read the reviews.
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lol I have the same fan, only the freestanding version ( Rowenta VU5640 ) and on turbo it's a beast ! at the time I bought it I believe this had the most CFM outside of shop fans/vents, and it does work well, and isn't as loud as it is powerful.
the silent run is also a nice feature.
Before we had air conditioners in most of the rooms of our house when growing up, we had a window fan in the kitchen window, something like this.
It worked really well as an exhaust fan in the kitchen, and as a whole house fan when the temps outside were cooler than in inside temps. But when the hot, humid summer nights didn't drop down sufficiently, (which was often) we needed to run the AC units.
It is important to mount it such that the window can be closed, when running the AC, or the heat and humidity will walk right in.
It worked really well as an exhaust fan in the kitchen, and as a whole house fan when the temps outside were cooler than in inside temps. But when the hot, humid summer nights didn't drop down sufficiently, (which was often) we needed to run the AC units.
It is important to mount it such that the window can be closed, when running the AC, or the heat and humidity will walk right in.
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lot of useful stuff here, I'll ad my two cents, because nowadays we get 42 C ( 108 F ) summer heat here, which is measured in shade over a grassy area... this also means walking the dog when the sun is out is impossible, as the concrete usually heats up to temperatures that will cook eggs and also poor doggos paws.
so what I figured to keep your home cool is to disallow heat to access it, and remove heat if it did. from what I gathered in the recent years is
1, do not allow the sun to touch your house. this has the huge caveat of having to have control of the house, which is, if you live in an apartment, is not possible. but, if you live in a detached house, you need to make sure that the sun doesn't reach the roof and walls, most useful is trees, that block the sun in the summer time, but the leaves will fall in autumn so you'll have some heating from the sun in winter. you can also use tarps, mylar or anything the sort, just mind where you reflect the heat and light, you don't wanna boil your neighbor.
2, if the light touches the house you need good insulation, so it won't seep heat into the structure itself. I don't know how well north American house structures can store heat, as they are made out of wood ( mostly, afaik ) but here we have brick walls, so you need to have thick insulation on the outside of the structure to avoid heat going in ( or out at wintertime... ).
3, block sunshine through the windows from the outside . we use roller shutters, but anything that blocks the sun but won't transfer heat into the window itself should be okay
4, if the heat already reached the inside of your home, try to manage the perceived temperature, move the air around, and try to keep the air as dry as you can, if you've been to the desert you'll recall that 38C/100F in the basically zero humidity is perfectly manageable, you only need to remember to drink a LOT. also try to keep the heat sources inside the house to a minimum, so try to use the least amount of dryer, stove, tv, pc, basically anything that generates a lot of heat.
5, Move the air! Opening the windows at night can be useless if there is no draft , so always pay careful attention to actually have the air move through the home, if your home has draft naturally, great, but you might want to place a high throughput fan in one window pushing air in, and in another room sucking air out. this has helped me tremendously at summer night times when air just basically stagnated inside, so even though it was colder outside, it didn't get any colder inside .
+1: if it can applied, running a drip irrigation system close your windows can allow the grass to be cool, hence the air entering through your windows will be cooler, but this assumes basically wasting water for a bit of relief from the heat, so not ideal
as other mentioned, closing your dwelling to the outside during the day, and opening everything at night is a good idea, but as also others mentioned, sometimes even the evening temperatures are way too high, so this might not work at all...
so what can you do if you already have hot air inside? from worst to best, here is my experience:
- swamp cooler: basically just blowing air through a wet piece of material, it WILL cool down the air a tiny bit, and also it will even filter the air, so great for catching pollen and dust, however... Mold. It will increase humidity, which will eventually decrease your comfort , and the water and the filter - or the material you blow through air - will develop mold, so you'll need to manage that and keep a close eye on what you're breathing in
- simple fans: great when you just need a bit of cooler feeling, but when the temperature reaches a certain point, you're just sitting in an air circulated oven, it feels much worse to have hot air blown at you
- portable AC: fairly OK, but most of them literally sucks, meaning it will suck air out of the room it's placed in, there are countless information on them why they are not the greatest solution, but sometimes that's your only way to introduce cold air into the area you're in
- window AC: one of the best available options, but can get fiddly, also here the price is the same as a split AC unit, so if possible, a split version is favourable
- split/central AC: the best bang for buck ratio, only caveat I found that it can dry the air too much, leaving you open to more respiratory diseases , but with some simple air humidification ( not sure that's a word ) you can manage just fine, also you can use it to heat your home come winter time
- heat exchanger cooling: fairly complex, you need two drilled wells, you bring water up from one, into the heat exchanger, blow cool air inside, dump heated water into the other well. requires very little maintenance, consumes only the fraction of the power of an AC, and can supply 17 C / 62 F cold air throughout the summer for cheap. the issue with this is obvious, you need two wells, piping to and from your heat exchanger, a heat exchanger ( if you're heating isn't connected to one ) , but if possible, this is one of the best solutions you can get long term, you can use it in the winter as well to help out a bit for your heating needs if designed properly
- geothermic air conditioning: same as the previous mostly, but instead of wells you have a closed loop of liquid pulling the heat from the house and dumping it underground, uses a tiny amount of power comparatively, reliable and sustainable, but the initial cost is just astonishing... or at least here. you need to place the pipes deep down the ground, for that you need to move the earth quite a bit, and you need very high quality pipes, that can lay in the ground for years and years without leaking or bursting. this is basically the going down in to your cellar to cool off, just bringing the cellar up to the attic as well, it's great in all aspects, other than the price
one thing I've been messing around recent days is an actual 'personal AC', which is basically running icy water through a coolant radiator and pushing the cold air at you, like so:
I'm still waiting for some parts, but I'll report back how it goes
well the little valves and pipes arrived , so I made this Frankenstein's monster of a heat pump:
in the bottom there is cool water reservoir with some -15 °C / 5 °F ice packs, pump bring cool water up into the radiator, fans blow cool air through radiator, water goes back down under to cool down. Surprisingly with this setup the water was fairly warm ( 16 °C / 63 °F ) very fast, and the ice packs just came up to near ambient in minutes. After that it took the water a good hour or two to warm up as well, so that was some good news. The bottom of the reservoir is double sided, so there is little heat exhange to the outside. Nevertheless, it's a fairly simple setup you can restart basically as long as you have cool water, so I'll try to just use ice to cool the water more, I'll report back how it went.
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Mini splits have their place. I abandoned ducted cooling a decade ago and installed 7 units indoors and three compressors outdoors. Ducts were mostly outside the envelope which is a very bad idea, yet most or many homes are built or retrofitted that way. For me, a lot more upkeep (cleaning) is needed. With multiple units, more failure points are added. One nice thing with variable speed compressor mini splits is that there is virtually no start-up surge. If I put a clip-on ammeter on mine and fire them up, they sit and think about it for a few moments with the number barely changing. Then the current ramps up at a leisurely pace, peaks at maybe an amp above where it settles in to run what indoor units are turned on. It is great for using a small portable genset for backup. For small PV with a correspondingly small battery/inverter capacity, I am sure it would be an advantage as well. They throttle back to about 30% of total capacity before they start to cycle and run most efficiently at steady, partial load. Most of this is true for bigger ducted central units as well except that you can obviously pare back load further by choosing which room or rooms to cool in a power outage.
1 kW is asking a lot. It could work if you are super insulated. Quite some time ago, there were some case studied of (small) homes in New England somewhere that were built with only heat pump mini splits. They may have been DOE or NREL. Building Science Corp (Buildingscience.com) is a good source of information about energy efficient building, including criticism of a lot of screw-ups. Your local land grant universities (in the same climate) are also a good place to look.
One problem that you will see in humid, or even average climates is humidity. In super insulated homes, the cooling does not run enough to dehumidify sufficiently. In cooler weather with no heat necessary, there is little air leakage to dry the moisture released by normal living. You almost sure need dehumidification. I have a stale studies that is probably still relevant for that:
Conditioning Air in theHumid South—CreatingComfort and ControllingCost
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Building Science Corporation
Conditioning Air in the Humid South—Creating Comfort and Controlling Cost
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Careful, power attic fans are often, if not almost always, a bad idea. First off, there are generally a lot of leaks between the living space and the attic space. Power vents will then cool the attic by sucking conditioned air out of the living space. That is not productive. Second, you should have enough ventilation properly placed to cool the attic passively. Third, heat gain from the roof is mostly from radiated energy from the roof deck to the attic floor so no amount of moving air is going to help much with that. If you have HVAC in the attic, you may be better off insulating the roof deck and sealing the attic. For some time, radiant barriers suspended in attics were popular. They work until they get dirty.
From Joseph Lstiburek Building Science Corporation 1997. Info-015: Top Ten Dumb Things To Do In the South
"Venting attics in the South was dreamed up by some disgruntled Yankee pissed about the Civil War and wanting to get even."
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For cooking, induction hobs are generally a lot more efficient at getting the food hot rather then the room. That said, they are a little overrated compared to a big pot on a resistance coil at moderate heat setting. That is pretty efficient. But if you are bringing up a pot to boil quickly, induction is king.Keep the insulated drapes shut. Do not use the oven. Cut back on the use of hot water (example, wash laundry with cold water only). Hang wet laundry outside to dry rather than use the dryer. Cook with the microwave oven instead of the stove top. Change or clean the AC filter(s). Run fans in rooms people are in. Spend time in the basement as it is usually the coolest area in the house. Limit opening the doors as much as possible. Put off testing flamethrower flashlights until after dark when it is cooler.
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I would be very surprised if some areas where swamp coolers were popular are not now falling away either due to prohibition in building codes or by the expense of ever scarcer water. I lived in Tucson for three years and I agree with J-L D. for comfort except for Monsoon season when humidity can reach a disagreeable 30% and the swamp coolers don't work very well.
