HDS Systems #23

[scalpel_ninja]

 

[ilikeguns40]

working on a completely different project

Is this project perhaps flashlight related?

 

[Hogokansatsukan]

Is this project perhaps flashlight related?

Nope. Not flashlight related at all. Complete divergence from flashlights.
Here is the Nestout Flash-1 attached to one of their battery banks with the screw in tripod to hold it and their fan as well. Tossed in the Photon Phreaks HDSRB and some other random toys for the photo.

 

[gurdygurds]

Oh, the next generation HDS (please don't hold your breath as this is a few years down the road) will be standard with an 18500 tube with spacers to take a CR123 or a AA.
We have been busy getting things all moved in house for the last year and have also been working on a completely different project as well. Just not enough hours in the day.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaa buddy 👍🏼

 

[dc38]

Nope. Not flashlight related at all. Complete divergence from flashlights.

O.M.G. those alphabet people actually decided to do it?

 

[desert.snake]

I completely discharged the AW 750 mAh until the cell protection kicked in. I charged it, X2 shows 181 mAh, 4.08 V

The micro test is ready, it took a few days. First about CR123. The sticker and packaging is from a local company, but in reality it's a rebranding, like 90% of everything here, the manufacturer - Guangdong Liwang New Energy Co., Ltd.

The release date is 02.2024 - 02.2034
Voltage: 3.20, 3.11, 3.08, 3.16

I thought maybe it was because of the manufacturing quality, or maybe the batteries were stored incorrectly. I don't know, but they are definitely not suitable for a comparative test. They are fine for normal use, but not for testing. I charged and tested my 16340's on NLT and found out that they also seem to have different capacities. The times for 4 were like this:

Robiton #1 - 19 min
13.45
14.04
14.11
14.12
Vapcell #1 - 19 min
21.10
21.29
21.32
21.34
21.35
Vapcell #2 - 29 min 539 mAh
21.40
22.09
22.11
22.12
22.13
Robiton #2 - 24 min
22.20
22.44
22.48
22.49
22.50

So I decided to do a test on 2*16340 battery. I took Robiton #1 and Vapcell #2 so as not to wait too long and ran it through all the lights twice, measuring how much energy the charger put into them:

Battery Robiton ICR16340, 550 mAh
Battery Vapcell INR16340, 800 mAh, 7A

All settings are disabled - locator flash, auto-off, burst, etc.. Air temperature 16~25 C

1) NLT Rotary, 5000K, level 24, 325 lm:

Robiton

switched-on : 13.45
1 step down : 14.04
2 step down : 14.11
3 step down : 14.12
time: 19 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.18 V
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 460 mAh
U after charging - 4.19 V

switched-on : 09.10
1 step down : 09.31
2 step down : 09.36
3 step down : 09.37
time: 21 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.19 V
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 469 mAh
U after charging - 4.18 V

Vapcell

switched-on : 10.50
1 step down : 11.23
2 step down : 11.24
3 step down : 11.25
time: 33 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 before run - 539 mAh
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 540 mAh
U after charging - 4.13

switched-on : 13.20
1 step down : 13.49
2 step down : 13.50
3 step down : 13.51
time: 29 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.13
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 532 mAh
U after charging - 4.11

2) Rotary mod XP-L HD, 4500K, level 24, 300 or 325 lm:

Robiton

switched-on : 12.10
1 step down : 12.36
2 step down : 12.40
3 step down : 12.41
time: 26 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.18
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 460 mAh
U after charging - 4.17

switched-on : 15.40
1 step down : 16.05
2 step down : 16.13
3 step down : 16.14
time: 25 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.17
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 480 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

Vapcell

switched-on : 09.50
1 step down : 10.22
2 step down : 10.23
3 step down : 10.24
time: 32 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.11
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 540 mAh
U after charging - 4.13

switched-on : 14.55
1 step down : 15.27
2 step down : 15.28
3 step down : 15.29
time: time: 32 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.13
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 524 mAh
U after charging - 4.12

3) Executive XP-G1, ~6000K, level 24, 200 lm:

Robiton

switched-on : 10.40
1 step down : 11.12
2 step down : 11.14
3 step down : 11.15
time: 32 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 468 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

switched-on : 15.10
1 step down : 15.42
2 step down : 15.43
3 step down : 15.44
time: 32 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 447 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

Vapcell

switched-on : 19.20
1 step down : 19.59
2 step down : 20.00
3 step down : 20.01
time: 39 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.12
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 537 mAh
U after charging - 4.14

switched-on : 21.36
1 step down : 22.16
2 step down : 22.17
3 step down : 22.18
time: 40 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.14
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 549 mAh
U after charging - 4.12

4) Golden Dragon clicky, I don't know, it looks like about 6000~6500K, but I could be wrong, level 21 of 22, 85 lm. I checked again, Burst works at 22 level (120 lm) for 10 seconds and then always decreases to 85 lm, so it was set to level 21 (85 lm):

Robiton

switched-on : 20.05
1 step down : 21.28
2 step down : 21.29
3 step down : 21.30
time: 83 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 472 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

switched-on : 08.45
1 step down : 09.40
2 step down : 09.41
3 step down : 09.42
time: 87 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 457 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

Vapcell

switched-on : 10.45
1 step down : 12.20
2 step down : 12.21
3 step down : 12.22
time: 95 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.12
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 533 mAh
U after charging - 4.11

switched-on : 21.10
1 step down : 23.43
2 step down : 23.44
3 step down : 23.45
time: 93 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.11
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 544 mAh
U after charging - 4.12

The results are good, excellent lights!

 

[desert.snake]

Oh, I'd like to shove a few of these batteries into the HDS!! Something like a Action Light and a few of these batteries. ~50 lm for the next 50 years

This tiny radioactive battery can last 50 years without recharging — and it's coming in 2025

BetaVolt's BV100 is smaller than a coin and contains a radioactive isotope of nickel that decays into copper and supplies power to a device for up to 50 years. But it probably won't power your smartphone anytime soon, an expert suggests.

www.livescience.com

 

[dc38]

I completely discharged the AW 750 mAh until the cell protection kicked in. I charged it, X2 shows 181 mAh, 4.08 V

The micro test is ready, it took a few days. First about CR123. The sticker and packaging is from a local company, but in reality it's a rebranding, like 90% of everything here, the manufacturer - Guangdong Liwang New Energy Co., Ltd.

The release date is 02.2024 - 02.2034
Voltage: 3.20, 3.11, 3.08, 3.16

I thought maybe it was because of the manufacturing quality, or maybe the batteries were stored incorrectly. I don't know, but they are definitely not suitable for a comparative test. They are fine for normal use, but not for testing. I charged and tested my 16340's on NLT and found out that they also seem to have different capacities. The times for 4 were like this:

Robiton #1 - 19 min
13.45
14.04
14.11
14.12
Vapcell #1 - 19 min
21.10
21.29
21.32
21.34
21.35
Vapcell #2 - 29 min 539 mAh
21.40
22.09
22.11
22.12
22.13
Robiton #2 - 24 min
22.20
22.44
22.48
22.49
22.50

So I decided to do a test on 2*16340 battery. I took Robiton #1 and Vapcell #2 so as not to wait too long and ran it through all the lights twice, measuring how much energy the charger put into them:

Battery Robiton ICR16340, 550 mAh
Battery Vapcell INR16340, 800 mAh, 7A

All settings are disabled - locator flash, auto-off, burst, etc.. Air temperature 16~25 C

1) NLT Rotary, 5000K, level 24, 325 lm:

Robiton

switched-on : 13.45
1 step down : 14.04
2 step down : 14.11
3 step down : 14.12
time: 19 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.18 V
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 460 mAh
U after charging - 4.19 V

switched-on : 09.10
1 step down : 09.31
2 step down : 09.36
3 step down : 09.37
time: 21 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.19 V
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 469 mAh
U after charging - 4.18 V

Vapcell

switched-on : 10.50
1 step down : 11.23
2 step down : 11.24
3 step down : 11.25
time: 33 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 before run - 539 mAh
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 540 mAh
U after charging - 4.13

switched-on : 13.20
1 step down : 13.49
2 step down : 13.50
3 step down : 13.51
time: 29 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.13
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 532 mAh
U after charging - 4.11

2) Rotary mod XP-L HD, 4500K, level 24, 300 or 325 lm:

Robiton

switched-on : 12.10
1 step down : 12.36
2 step down : 12.40
3 step down : 12.41
time: 26 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.18
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 460 mAh
U after charging - 4.17

switched-on : 15.40
1 step down : 16.05
2 step down : 16.13
3 step down : 16.14
time: 25 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.17
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 480 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

Vapcell

switched-on : 09.50
1 step down : 10.22
2 step down : 10.23
3 step down : 10.24
time: 32 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.11
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 540 mAh
U after charging - 4.13

switched-on : 14.55
1 step down : 15.27
2 step down : 15.28
3 step down : 15.29
time: time: 32 min on 325 lm

U before run - 4.13
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 524 mAh
U after charging - 4.12

3) Executive XP-G1, ~6000K, level 24, 200 lm:

Robiton

switched-on : 10.40
1 step down : 11.12
2 step down : 11.14
3 step down : 11.15
time: 32 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 468 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

switched-on : 15.10
1 step down : 15.42
2 step down : 15.43
3 step down : 15.44
time: 32 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 447 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

Vapcell

switched-on : 19.20
1 step down : 19.59
2 step down : 20.00
3 step down : 20.01
time: 39 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.12
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 537 mAh
U after charging - 4.14

switched-on : 21.36
1 step down : 22.16
2 step down : 22.17
3 step down : 22.18
time: 40 min on 200 lm

U before run - 4.14
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 549 mAh
U after charging - 4.12

4) Golden Dragon clicky, I don't know, it looks like about 6000~6500K, but I could be wrong, level 21 of 22, 85 lm. I checked again, Burst works at 22 level (120 lm) for 10 seconds and then always decreases to 85 lm, so it was set to level 21 (85 lm):

Robiton

switched-on : 20.05
1 step down : 21.28
2 step down : 21.29
3 step down : 21.30
time: 83 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 472 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

switched-on : 08.45
1 step down : 09.40
2 step down : 09.41
3 step down : 09.42
time: 87 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.16
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 457 mAh
U after charging - 4.16

Vapcell

switched-on : 10.45
1 step down : 12.20
2 step down : 12.21
3 step down : 12.22
time: 95 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.12
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 533 mAh
U after charging - 4.11

switched-on : 21.10
1 step down : 23.43
2 step down : 23.44
3 step down : 23.45
time: 93 min on 85 lm

U before run - 4.11
Capacity gained after charging Xtar X2 - 544 mAh
U after charging - 4.12

The results are good, excellent lights!

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Sweet! that sounds pretty close to what I was getting...thank so much for that test!

 

[dc38]

Oh, I'd like to shove a few of these batteries into the HDS!! Something like a Action Light and a few of these batteries. ~50 lm for the next 50 years
View attachment 76664

This tiny radioactive battery can last 50 years without recharging — and it's coming in 2025

BetaVolt's BV100 is smaller than a coin and contains a radioactive isotope of nickel that decays into copper and supplies power to a device for up to 50 years. But it probably won't power your smartphone anytime soon, an expert suggests.

www.livescience.com

What in the tarnished patina alchemy is this lol

 

[desert.snake]

Sweet! that sounds pretty close to what I was getting...thank so much for that test!

I'm not good at math, but we can estimate how many mA a flashlight consumes, for example. NLT, 33 min (0.55 h) on 325 lm, 540 mAh, that is 981 mA, the second time on the same battery it comes out to 1100 mA. Why such a spread, I think maybe because of errors - the time was recorded by different clocks, rounded to the minute, the battery was charged a little differently each time - in different places there is a different network, in some places 200V, in some places 240V, maybe this somehow affected the charger? The temperature also changed, and in 1 place there was a constant draft from the window

What in the tarnished patina alchemy is this lol

They promise 1 W batteries. It all depends on the price, if it is acceptable, then you can connect 2 or 4 batteries in parallel and you will have awesome 2-4 W flashlight that will last for the rest of your life. For speleologists, 1 battery will be enough. Also all this can be tightly sealed and used for deep divers

 

[ilikeguns40]

OD Gaffers tape. Hides marks and provides a nice grippy feel. Easily replaced without leaving residue

 

[gurdygurds]

@Hogokansatsukan for this future AA ready HDS, do you think the length will remain the same/similar to the current cr123 configuration? Curious to how big of an overhaul or design change it will be. Just a slightly longer tube?

 

[the.Mtn.Man]

Oh, the next generation HDS (please don't hold your breath as this is a few years down the road) will be standard with an 18500 tube with spacers to take a CR123 or a AA.

And hopefully we won't have to cash in our retirement savings to buy one

 

[jon_slider]

future AA ready

will there be 1.5V AA capability in the HDS driver?

the new body is 18500, the present body is 16340.. iow the new body is 2mm wider and 10mm longer..

 

[dc38]

will there be 1.5V AA capability in the HDS driver?

the new body is 18500, the present body is 16340.. iow the new body is 2mm wider and 10mm longer..

If everything stays the same in regards to the head and the tail, the body might be 16mm longer. As for the body width, I'm convinced that the circumference matters more than the width, because if the walls maintain their thickness, the 2mm cell diameter increase would increase the circumference by 6mm. Not much, but it would change the ergonomics of the light. I currently have the "18650" tube on my SPL120 Nova, and it's drastically different from the standard 16340 body.

 

[jon_slider]

If everything stays the same in regards to the head and the tail

the present head and tail will not lego to the new body.. the new head and tail are wider, to match the wider body

 

[scalpel_ninja]

If everything stays the same in regards to the head and the tail, the body might be 16mm longer. As for the body width, I'm convinced that the circumference matters more than the width, because if the walls maintain their thickness, the 2mm cell diameter increase would increase the circumference by 6mm. Not much, but it would change the ergonomics of the light. I currently have the "18650" tube on my SPL120 Nova, and it's drastically different from the standard 16340 body.

I no longer have my 18650 rotary body to measure, neither do I have a 18500 nor 18350 body to verify; but IIRC, the bodies that accommodate 18mm diameter cells are bored wider internally than the standard 16340 body. The wall appeared thinner when I drilled and tapped for clip screws; also, the signaling wire was exposed along its length and not fully shrouded in the wall.

Edit: now reading @jon_slider's comment, I'm guessing the new body will be overall wider in diameter to maintain wall thickness and avoid an exposed signaling wire?

 

[dc38]

the present head and tail will not lego to the new body.. the new head and tail are wider, to match the wider body

Eh...ew?

 

[ilikeguns40]

Took kids to movies to his morning and as movies ended lady in front of me dropped her phone and had slid down behind the seats somewhere in front. Well, it was my time to shine, whipped out my HDS and searched for her phone, found it and she was super thrilled. She would have been searching for a long time since we were basically the only ones in there and I was the last person that happened to have a light on me.

 

[the.Mtn.Man]

Took kids to movies to his morning and as movies ended lady in front of me dropped her phone and had slid down behind the seats somewhere in front. Well, it was my time to shine, whipped out my HDS and searched for her phone, found it and she was super thrilled. She would have been searching for a long time since we were basically the only ones in there and I was the last person that happened to have a light on me.

I had the opposite experience some years ago: my flashlight fell out of my pocket at a nighttime event, and a friend helped me find it with the lamp on her cellphone. 😄