Help reccomend a flashlight

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Hi,
Found your forum while doing research on the Duracell daylite. I was hoping to get some help with getting a new flashlight

Recommend a Flashlight Checklist:
(Don't worry about all the questions, just the ones you feel strongly about!)

Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Used either in the house or in my/my wife's car.







0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?

__x__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
____I am in North America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.


1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I only want to pay $1-10.
____I can spend $15-30.
__x__I could spend $40-60.
____I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have no limit!

2) Format:

__x__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.

3) Length:

__x__I don't care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry)

4) Width:

__x__I don't care.
____I prefer a long narrow light.
____I prefer a short wide light.

5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.

____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
____I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
__x__I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)

6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
__x__I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
__x__I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)

7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an "X" on the line below.

Throw (distance)--------------------x--|----------------------Flood/close-up

8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.

____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
__x__240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)

9) Durability: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
__x__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)

8) Switch Type:

____I don't care.
____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
__x__I want a "clickie" switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
____I want a momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)

9) Switch Location:

____I don't care.
__x__I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
__x__I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
____I want a rotating head switch.
____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
____I want a remote control.

10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.

__x__A simple on-off is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)

11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?

__x__I don't care.
____I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.

12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).

____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
____Waterproof – how deep: _____________
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Belt/Jacket clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Kobuton/self defense features
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
are you familiar with li-ion battery technology? then rechargable rcr123 or 18650battery lights are also an option.

but for novice, and for car glovebox duty, i would suggest using flashlights that use the "normal" AA batteries.

you can get some of the LSD (low self discharge) nimh rechargable AA batteries if you like. but for glovebox light getting a set of something like energizer lithium AA batteries is smarter. rechargables are worth it if you do use it and need it daily or weekly. as glovebox light.. its more likely you need it only once a month or year if you are lucky. :) then a good set of primary batteries are good idea.

my advice would be to look for the 2AA lights.
their output will suprise a person not familiar with new led technology. (almost competes with the maglite 3d)

something like fenix TK20 or eagletac p100a would be good options.

tk20, heavy and strongly built, rubbergrip, warmer tint color (looks more "normal", its closer to beam color of normal incan lights)

p100a smaller than tk20 and cheaper.

(both of these lights i am thinking about buying myself.. but just havnt gotten around to get one yet )


my advice. buy tk20 to the glovebox. then test it out on your backyard to see if its powerful enough to spot the Yotes and then decide if you need to buy one for yourself too (i just read your other thread)
 
Well I was in Wal-mart today and saw they had one of those Duracell Daylite 2 AA lights for $28.88 so I picked one up on a whim. Got home and was amazed at how much better it is over my mini-mag and even preferred it to my 4D maglight!!!

Now before you jump on me for not following your advice I was needing something for work and itching for a better flashlight so I figured @ $29 it wouldn't break my heart if it got ruined at work.

The TK20 is about $60 or so right? I might wind up getting one of them too for home/car use :) Wife was very impressed with the Duracell light though and she's trying to steal it.
What's a good brand of rechargable nimh batteries? I have some at the house but can't remember what brand they were.

Thanks for advice.
 
I agree on the TK20. If I were spending much time in a cave I'd want one of those. One other light I'll mention, my favorite light saber: the MG PLI is about $55 from shiningbeam.com (he's out but getting more in within a week or two). Whereas many LED flashlights top out around 160-225 lumens, the PLI is about 700 lumens. The beam is more flood than spot, but it puts out a blast of light for its 140mm x 34mm size... you'll shock your fellow cavers. It runs on a protected-circuit 3.7v lithium battery 18mm wide by 64mm long that you can also get from Shiningbeam.

NiMH batts-- I am switching over to low self-discharge rechargeables because they can sit in a flashlight for a long time and still work; regular rechargeables lose their power rather quickly over time. Eneloops are very highly thought of here, but mine are EnergyOn by Nexcell and they work fine, and there are some other decent brands... plan to order via internet, stores don't seem to carry them in the US.
 
Well I won't be caving. Just looking for something to replace my cumbersome 4D Maglight, and my useless mini-mag. The Duracell is leaps and bounds above the mini-mag it's unbelievable (well at least to a noob like me).

The MG PLI is a nice looking light but I don't know that I'm ready to step into the CR123 and other high end Li-ion batteries quite yet.
 
The Duracell is leaps and bounds above the mini-mag it's unbelievable

Someone is going to be blown away when they pick up a light recommended here I feel...

Anyway, my 1st vote goes for the Fenix TK20, my second to the Fenix E20 (certainly not as good as the TK20, but much cheaper..) and my third vote for the LD01 (compact...) and my 4th vote for the LD20.

Guess who likes Fenix ;)
 
Someone is going to be blown away when they pick up a light recommended here I feel...

Anyway, my 1st vote goes for the Fenix TK20, my second to the Fenix E20 (certainly not as good as the TK20, but much cheaper..) and my third vote for the LD01 (compact...) and my 4th vote for the LD20.

Guess who likes Fenix ;)
Yeah I have that feeling too :)
I've got to get at least 1 more 2 AA for the wife, and thinking maybe the duracell is too nice for work. Need something decent and inexpensive incase it gets ruined.
 
The TK20 is probably a good option, but I would recommend the Eagletac P100A2 over the Fenix E20.

Also, there is no way the MG PLI is 700 lumens out the front, just like most lights advertised at 250 lumens actually aren't. It is probably optimistically around 450 lumens max, especially considering how small it is (so it doesn't dissipate heat as well).

I almost exclusively use lithium ion batteries. They aren't bad at all if you just get a good quality charger and make sure you know what you are doing.
 
The TK20 is probably a good option, but I would recommend the Eagletac P100A2 over the Fenix E20.

I would probably agree if I had ever owned an Eagletac, I just find it hard to recommend a light from a company I have never purchased from before.

Primary advantage for the E20 is the price (aka, value for money), and its dead simple, click on, click off.

It has focus, but, if I ever did use my E20 (which I dont, and probably never will till I lose my TK20..) I would probably never adjust the focus anyway (I would leave it as broad as it can get before the artifacts start to show).

For nearly twice the price, the TK20 is definitely twice the torch.

For 4x the price, the TK40 is definitely 4x the torch.. but that blows both your size requirement and budget...
 
Well I've been carrying around the daylite tonight at work and it's been great, only problem is the head is a little big to be comfortably pocket carried.
I'm thinking the Fenix E01 might be better for work and @ $15 it won't kill me if it's ruined.
At work it'll mostly be used for reading gauges, reading sight glasses, and for walking down railroad tracks at night. Would the E01 fit that bill? Don't want to spend to much because it might get stolen or destroyed at work.

Will probably wind up getting a TK20 for home and a E20 for the car :)
 
Li-ion batteries are probably going to be your best investment in the long run. Especially using 18650 Li-ion batteries for long runtime. If I am correct start looking into Solarforce and all of their options. Here is a link to the Solarforce fanatics. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=228693
Well I won't be caving. Just looking for something to replace my cumbersome 4D Maglight, and my useless mini-mag. The Duracell is leaps and bounds above the mini-mag it's unbelievable (well at least to a noob like me).

The MG PLI is a nice looking light but I don't know that I'm ready to step into the CR123 and other high end Li-ion batteries quite yet.
 
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At work it'll mostly be used for reading gauges, reading sight glasses, and for walking down railroad tracks at night. Would the E01 fit that bill?

Yes, the E01 would fit that bill just fine.

TK20 for the home also sounds like a good choice.

E20 for the car... well, I would recommend a headlight for the car, nothing too expensive, but if your car breaks down you will want the use of your hands. Maybe you could get an E20 AND a headlight for the car.

Anyway, there are numerous other threads around about what lite is best for your car, i'll let you go read them :)
 
I recommend you to get LSD (low self discharge) batteries. The problem with "normal" Ni-MH is they lose their charge even if they are unused, so you will need to recharge them frecuently or you can end with flat batteries.

The most recommended ones are Sanyo Eneloops, but you can get better information if you ask in the batteries section of the forums.

About the E01, I have that light too. Most ppl rave about more and more lumens, but for reading things 10 lumen is enough. That light is rugged and almost indestructible in practical use and it is a light I know it will work when I need it. Its not perfect... the beam has a purple tint that you can find "ugly".
 

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