interesting new light > CWF X Viking Pathfinder

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From the description:

"The Pathfinder is a collaboration between CWF Custom Lights and EDC Vikings Metalworks. It is designed as a walking light that will light up an entire path rather than a direct beam of light. The 2200k LEDs help to prevent white wash when used in snow & fog and the 5000k LEDs will flood an area with light in any condition. It features the Dragon Driver, 3 power levels per LED with power level memory, max output of 375 lumens and moonlight mode less than 1 lumen. The copper heatsink and aluminum body helps dissipate heat. The dragon driver provides thermal and voltage regulation."

SPECIFICATIONS:
  • Material: Aluminum
  • Finish: Stonewashed
  • Samsung 351D 5000k, Cree XP-G3 2200k
  • Copper Heatsink
  • Sapphire Lens
  • Dragon Driver
  • Titanium Clip & Hardware
  • Diameter: 0.85"
  • Length: 4"
  • Weight: 2.3oz
  • 14500 lithium-ion battery included)
  • McClicky Switch
Looks like a street price of $325

So, a Mule w/ a twist...
While I'm not really in the market for a new light right now, gonna have to admit...this one is tempting. The form factor is right in my sweet spot and the design is original enough to fill a slot nothing else does quite the same way.

Now, is that spot real or is this an answer to a problem nobody really has?
Yet to be determined on that one, but I have certainly picked up lights for less justification.
At the very least it's nice to see something more than just "machined tube w/ button on one end and LED on the other". It certainly is trying to differentiate itself from the pack. And CWF does good work, so it isn't some fly-by-night company w/ no pedigree.
I'll be curious to hear some real world feedback on this one.

So what say ye?
 
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Thanks for the photo, interesting dual channel design. Though I dont agree w the choice of LEDs.. I can see the appeal of the feature set and form factor. I like lightweight 14500 size lights, and this may be the only dual channel offering in that size.

If you decide to spring for one, I hope you enjoy it ;-)
 
That dual emitter design seems like it would be great for tint ramping if it had a more sophisticated driver
 
I picked one up. I can provide some basic thoughts on it soon. What I can say now, on the highest setting, mine seems to step down after about 10sec.

More to come
 
Absolutely!!

Although I have some nicer, customs, or "more" expensive lights, I'm very basic. I understand some driver stuff, temperatures and some basic emitter things.

I wish there were some programming options, but don't we all.

My info likely will be akin to a laypersons thoughts and experience. So, take this/that FWIW
 
Ive had my pathfinder for a couple of days now and have spent a bit of time with it.

Packaging - I love the packaging! If a person is going to pay a "premium " give em some stickers, make the packaging unique and personalize it with a hand written card. Nailed it!

The light - i love the physical size, weight, balance and how it feels in hand. It fits my pocket perfectly. The knurling is quite effective. Im also one that appreciates the thermal properties of Al.

Performance - The light has memory and restarts in the last mode used. While clicking through the modes, assuming it begins with "yellow" moonlight mode, it steps throught the sequence as follows, yellow moonlight, med yellow, high yellow, white moonlight, med white and lastly, high white. While transitioning from yellow light to white light, the yellow light stays on and mimics the mode of the white light. I don't know if that has any impact on the actual functional temperature seen by the eye.

The 2200k moonlight is amazing! I can move about the room while my wife sleeps without disturbing her. My aging eyes prefer a warmer light, indoors, and especially in moonlight. Turn it off and you still have your naturally dark adjusted eyeballs.

There is no snow or fog, I can't speak about the functionality of med and high yellow. However, I have no doubt that they would work as designed.

The 5000k moonlight is nice, when you need just a Lil bit more than the other moonlight.

Med white, where the light will likely live, works well. I'd estimate that the area illuminated is approx 30-35 ft in diameter.

High white, as well as high yellow, would be used briefly for high output due to it stepping down after approx 10 seconds. This I don't understand. If I wanna burn through a battery, let me!

Battery- The light arrives with a purple vapcell H10 button top. I like this particular battery and run it in my dc0 lights with conversion engines and reflectors, that's another thread... I cycled the battery acouple of times and then fully charged it. Once charged, I installed and turned the light on med white and let it run. I didn't pay as close attention as I probably should have, therefore I'll estimate at about 15min, the light, top to bottom, one end to the other, was quite warm. A lesser man may not have had the willpower to hold it. I didn't notice the light step down any, but the output did diminish eventually. I'll also estimate, somewhere around the 90min mark, the light began to cool down. I'll assume this was due to the diminishing output, that went unnoticed because it was simply laying on a table next to me in the middle of the afternoon. At 103 minutes, the light dropped to moonlight mode. I restarted the light and managed approx another 90 seconds before dropping into moonlight mode again. I don't know how many more times I could have done this. I excused the battery at this point.

My thoughts - My thoughts might not matter because I do not know the intricacies of the inner workings of pills, emitters, drivers, programming, and mcpcbs,,,,whatever that is. The knurling is very effective, regardless of the direction. Combined with a tight clip, it's probably gonna eat up some pockets. I wish it didn't have memory and always began in yellow moonlight mode. If you don't remember to leave it there and turn it on in the middle of the night while your wife sleeps, it will light up the whole room!!,,,,as it is intended. I also wish the high output lasted longer than 10 seconds. There likely is a good reason it doesnt, which i am unaware. So, I guess my only real complaint is that it'll probably eat jean pockets.

Long story short, I LIKE IT!

I tried to upload some pics and speak about each one, but I couldn't figure it out on my phone.....so here's the pic!

Any questions, ask away!
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So, if I'm reading this right, let's say I want to go from low yellow to moonlight yellow; I'd have to cycle through almost all modes to step down a brightness within the same tint? Can mode memory be turned off? Since there's a moonlight mode, if I want to use it for ultra low light conditions and don't remember the last mode used, I'm risking it turning on high white to burn my retinas?

Seems a more logical UI is to have no mode memory, always turn on at moonlight level, then be able to switch emitters at the same brightness level. Only memorize the emitter/tint, but always start at moonlight.
 
@scalpel_ninja You understand correctly. I haven't found a way to turn it off..

@knucklegary Thank you! The 2200k is great indoors! Approx 30-35ft. My phone camera is likely adding a little extra visibility by making the area appear brighter, but the bird bath was visible.
 
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Ive had my pathfinder for a couple of days now and have spent a bit of time with it.

Packaging - I love the packaging! If a person is going to pay a "premium " give em some stickers, make the packaging unique and personalize it with a hand written card. Nailed it!

The light - i love the physical size, weight, balance and how it feels in hand. It fits my pocket perfectly. The knurling is quite effective. Im also one that appreciates the thermal properties of Al.

Performance - The light has memory and restarts in the last mode used. While clicking through the modes, assuming it begins with "yellow" moonlight mode, it steps throught the sequence as follows, yellow moonlight, med yellow, high yellow, white moonlight, med white and lastly, high white. While transitioning from yellow light to white light, the yellow light stays on and mimics the mode of the white light. I don't know if that has any impact on the actual functional temperature seen by the eye.

The 2200k moonlight is amazing! I can move about the room while my wife sleeps without disturbing her. My aging eyes prefer a warmer light, indoors, and especially in moonlight. Turn it off and you still have your naturally dark adjusted eyeballs.

There is no snow or fog, I can't speak about the functionality of med and high yellow. However, I have no doubt that they would work as designed.

The 5000k moonlight is nice, when you need just a Lil bit more than the other moonlight.

Med white, where the light will likely live, works well. I'd estimate that the area illuminated is approx 30-35 ft in diameter.

High white, as well as high yellow, would be used briefly for high output due to it stepping down after approx 10 seconds. This I don't understand. If I wanna burn through a battery, let me!

Battery- The light arrives with a purple vapcell H10 button top. I like this particular battery and run it in my dc0 lights with conversion engines and reflectors, that's another thread... I cycled the battery acouple of times and then fully charged it. Once charged, I installed and turned the light on med white and let it run. I didn't pay as close attention as I probably should have, therefore I'll estimate at about 15min, the light, top to bottom, one end to the other, was quite warm. A lesser man may not have had the willpower to hold it. I didn't notice the light step down any, but the output did diminish eventually. I'll also estimate, somewhere around the 90min mark, the light began to cool down. I'll assume this was due to the diminishing output, that went unnoticed because it was simply laying on a table next to me in the middle of the afternoon. At 103 minutes, the light dropped to moonlight mode. I restarted the light and managed approx another 90 seconds before dropping into moonlight mode again. I don't know how many more times I could have done this. I excused the battery at this point.

My thoughts - My thoughts might not matter because I do not know the intricacies of the inner workings of pills, emitters, drivers, programming, and mcpcbs,,,,whatever that is. The knurling is very effective, regardless of the direction. Combined with a tight clip, it's probably gonna eat up some pockets. I wish it didn't have memory and always began in yellow moonlight mode. If you don't remember to leave it there and turn it on in the middle of the night while your wife sleeps, it will light up the whole room!!,,,,as it is intended. I also wish the high output lasted longer than 10 seconds. There likely is a good reason it doesnt, which i am unaware. So, I guess my only real complaint is that it'll probably eat jean pockets.

Long story short, I LIKE IT!

I tried to upload some pics and speak about each one, but I couldn't figure it out on my phone.....so here's the pic!

Any questions, ask away!
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Great review! Thanks for that.

This has the dragon driver in it, so I don't really understand why Chaz didn't make it programmable. Ease of use is not a very good explanation.
 
Thaks for the great writeup..

the yellow light stays on and mimics the mode of the white light. I don't know if that has any impact on the actual functional temperature
yes it does, both the Color Temperature and the Tint are blending to produce a new spectrum, different than the individual sources.

I like the look of the beam profile
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I hope you continue to enjoy it ;-)

didn't make it programmable
for the few of us that get into programming our lights, our wallets are safe ;-)

I just remembered, there IS one other 14500 light that is Dual Channel, and fully programmable.
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The Emisarl D2 can mix or switch between the two LEDs, and it can be set to always turn on at low, or any other output, and color. It also allows to always get to moonlight first, no matter what type of memory option is selected.. I think it might be the Only dual channel 14500 Programmable light atm..
 
Saw this posted in Charles's group on FB, love the concept just don't care for mules. Now if someone could figure out a reflector setup for each led in the same size..........:love:
 
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