L1D & P2D Questions ?

[Budman231]

Are these two lights exactly the same except that the body of the P2D will accept the cr123 cell ?

If so, does that mean we won't see a 123 body for the L1D..?

 

[Nake]

The P1D and L1D heads are the same. The tailcaps will not interchange. 4Sevens says there will be P2D body and tailcap later.

 

[Alteran]

No, the P1D head is different. The P2D head is the same as the L1D and L2D.

 

[Nake]

No, the P1D head is different. The P2D head is the same as the L1D and L2D.

You're right, my mistake.

 

[Alteran]

Some kind of technical mistake here, I think. Accidental repost.

 

[mchlwise]

If so, does that mean we won't see a 123 body for the L1D..?

The 123 body for the L1D will be a P2D body and tailcap (since the tailcaps are not interchangeable). 4Sevens said they should be under $20 when they become available.

 

[Budman231]

Thanks for the info.

I really wish Fenix would go modular so we could pick, choose and build our own dream lights from parts that work together. I guess someone over there thinks it would be a bad financial move to offer the product this way. These lights are so similar now but they do crap like making the tailcap a different size. It is frustrating to say the least ...

 

[mchlwise]

Thanks for the info.

I really wish Fenix would go modular so we could pick, choose and build our own dream lights from parts that work together. I guess someone over there thinks it would be a bad financial move to offer the product this way. These lights are so similar now but they do crap like making the tailcap a different size. It is frustrating to say the least ...

I think a lot of that has to do with their ongoing R&D, and the very quick way they get things out.

They design something, then release it. Then improve on it, and release the improvement, which is not necessarily backwards compatible.

A perfect example of this is the L1D/P2D:

They use the same head, but the 123 is larger diameter than a AA, so the body has to be reamed out more. On the tail end, it would have made the body wall too thin where the o-ring was, so they had to make the tailcap slightly bigger to accommodate. Hence, the tailcaps aren't interchangeable.

They could have thought about this before releasing the L1D, and designed and prototyped and worked all the bugs out of the P2D before the L1D was even released, but that would have delayed the L1D by months at least.

Interchangeability would be nice, but it's nicer to have SOMETHING.

 

[Budman231]

Ya I understand your point of view. The problem is that all the light are so similar it doesn't seem like a bit of forward thinking would be that hard. To go to the trouble design-wise to make a multi-volt, multi-light head as sophisticated as the L1D head and screw up on the thickness of tube because of the tail cap because you never considered the 123 cell seems a bit strange and rookie-like. It seems more likely to me that they are thinking ahead but choose to make things just a little different so we have to continue to buy the entire light to get a small change. I don't know... Just don't know.

 

[riffraff]

I was hot to get a P2D if it was ever released in Natural HA...but since I would be using CR123 primaries, I would have to settle for some rather lackluster performance according to nanotech17's beamshots: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1994530&postcount=37

I'm kinda bummed...

 

[chanamasala]

Does anyone know if once one of AWs 3.7v RCR123s enters regulation on max in the P2D, will you then have all the differnet levels, i.e. low, med, strobe, etc?

 

[EricTarini]

Riffraff,

Lackluster performance with a P2D?

I have a P2D and that's not what I'd call it.

Nor did Doug:

http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/fenix_p2dce.htm

 

[mchlwise]

Does anyone know if once one of AWs 3.7v RCR123s enters regulation on max in the P2D, will you then have all the differnet levels, i.e. low, med, strobe, etc?

Yes, once the cell reaches a certain voltage, you have all the levels.

Unfortunately, you don't have a whole lot of capacity left at that point.

 

[riffraff]

Riffraff,

Lackluster performance with a P2D?

I have a P2D and that's not what I'd call it.

Nor did Doug:

http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/fenix_p2dce.htm

CR123 primaries work okay for you? Huh. How to explain nanotech17's beamshots (linked to, above)... :thinking: Very strange...

 

[mchlwise]

CR123 primaries work okay for you? Huh.

They work fine for me too. :shrug:

I can't speak for the beamshots, but my P2D on a 123 primary is noticeably brighter than my L1Dce on NIMH or L91. :rock:

 

[Nake]

Work for me too. These numbers are for comparison only. The P2D on turbo with primary....148, with an R123....156. This is using a light meter and ceiling bounce.