L2 with 3x123 and DownBoy

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Hi guys,

I suppose I did this mod primarily because it "was there". After doing the L1-PRT's where I would add an aditional 123 cell and go from the stock boost circuit to a Yamaguchi step down circuit (down boy) which seems to be more "friendly" to the two stage resistor switch system, I was curious how the L2 would behave in a similar set up. Although the resistor two stage switch works well with a boost circuit, there are some short comings both in terms of efficiency as well as function near the batteries end of life. Folks who have used their L1's have seen this.

The L2 addressed this issue by breaking new ground and including circuitry that regulates the low level output as well as the high level, both in boost configurations. From a run time graph that Craig just provided, I think it's clear that a good regulation of the low level output has been achieved with the L2's driver. I would also expect better repeatability across the diverse population of Luxeons given a current regulating circuit like the L2 has. The L2 is cool!

Well on to the mod..

L2-L3.jpg


Since I removed the circuit from the battery tube, I needed to put the DownBoy in the head. I used the same format of modified PR head and modified E-can that I have used in the L1-PR(T) mods but I used a 5W LED in this case instead of a Lux III. The larger diameter reflector of the PR both tightens up on the reflected beam as well as opens up the angle on the spill beam. Whether this is an advantage or disadvantage is purely up to the user's preference. I like them both. The PR does enhance the throw of the 5W at the expense of the "wall" of light from the stock L2 (KL4 style) reflector.

My primary interest was in comparing the output over time of the resistored step down system VS the fully regulated boost system.

Since my mod contains 3x123, the length of the run times would be expected to be greater than that of the stock L2 2x123. I set the current level of high on my mod at 750 mA and later I determined that the L2 is at 800 mA. I did a Lux-Run on the mod on both High and Low output:


High-runtime.jpg


Low-runtime.jpg


Although the low level is not regulated, the 30 ohm resistance was enough to drop the Vin below Vf of the LED and in the case of the Down Boy, once this occurs, the LED is in direct drive with little baggage, if any, added by the converter. Since the Lithium batteries have a reasonably flat discharge rate, the Lux-Run has a very reasonable curve to it, IMHO. In comparing these run times to those posted on the stock L2, I think a resistored two stage on step down circuit fairs reasonably well. Had I stayed with 2x123 and used a BadBoy with the 5W and a resistored two stage, I believe the superiority of the L2's dual current regulation circuit would be seen.

I offer this information with no implied conclusions to be reached; merely more information to mull over. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif
 
Someone run over and check to see if Don is okay. That is two runtime graphs in one post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If you stayed with the 2x123 and BB, you would be running the L2 circuitry along with the BB?

Aloha
Brian
 
I think that Surefire must offer Don a new job !!!!

Hey , Surefire , belive me : YOU NEED THAT /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif MAN !!!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
eh ... Don ... I am worried, too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
what's the matter with you? runtime graphs /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif ?

Sometimes I think PK must hate you ... just as something new and exciting from SF hits the street, you mod it to something even better ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif

Wasn't there enough room to include a second DB for the ultimate regulated low-level? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif .. just teasing! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bernhard
 
Brian,
Thanks for not asking for beam shots! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

In my reference to a BB with 2x123, I was thinking along the lines of an E2e hosting a two stage tail switch and not using the L2.

........

From what little I know about the SF lights, there are untold design and material features that are integrated into them to provide for a long and dependable service in less than ideal environments. The problem is that these features are "untold" and most of us are not saavy enough to discern them on our own. SF does not come forth with most of this information and in a competative environment, I believe this is understandable.

Bernhard and marco,

Thanks for the kind words but I am sure that PK and team have forgotten more than I could ever hope to learn; much less understand, when it comes to the design of flashlights! Although I probably can't spell it, I acknowledge the fact that I am an amateur. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif That doesn't mean that I can't have fun and accomplish some stuff at my own level! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif Ignorance is bliss!

As far as the graphs go, I was curious what the run time would be and since this light is probably the only one like it right now, I guess I was stuck doing it myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
 
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Don,

Now if you started doing beamshots as well as the graphs that would be a REAL cause for concern! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif What would happen next? RECHARGEABLES? oh the madness....

Aloha,
Brian
 
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