Large Hadron Collider goes online tonite!

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get outta here ...is that really you....we have a rocket scientist at cpf ? :)

Yup. Really me. I'm the head of the accelerator operators at Cornell's Laboratory for Elementary-Particle Physics. But I'm not a rocket scientist! My background is physics and engineering--mostly physics, though. I did work on nuclear submarines for a while, though. :) Does that count towards the rocket scientist thing? :shrug: LOL!
 

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But you look so young, Jim! I always assumed you were a sagacious and venerable 60-65, but in that photo you could easily pass for a youthful and sprightly 50.
 

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LOL! Thanks. *cough* But I'm a not so-sprightly (but still very sagacious *hehe*) 40 (more or less).
 

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these are the chances of "end of the world" happening.

black hole: 1/3000
stranglets: 1/1100
HalfLife or The Mist scenario: 1/200,000 highly unlikely that aliens can fit through the tiny dimensions.

I know the risks are there, but these scientists are willing to take the risks to find the one extra particle. It has to be done.:thumbsup:
 
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to me a rocket scientist is just anyone thats extremeley smart and obviously the stuff going on over there at LHC requires massive knowledge :p


so , i guess your the only here qualified to answer the question as you are at point blank of a possible disaster area " what light will you have with you for the end of the world or WSHTF"

so what lights did you bring:grin2:
 

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qip,

I'm involved with particle physics, and I work at a particle accelerator, but I don't work at LHC, and I'm only very very indirectly associated in that about 30 scientists from my lab are collaborating on the LHC detector.

But, I can definitely answer your question: my McGizmo LunaSol 20, the best and finest EDC yet made, my favorite and most useful light, and by far the best looking light I have ever owned, and probably will ever own.
 

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I was at CERN down in the pit working on the ATLAS detector a month or so ago. Very tight quarters right on the beam-line. Of course I had several lights with me and was using a fenix L0D when it slipped out of my hands and fell a couple stories down into the morass of scaffolding hidding a million nooks and crannies. I could not find it.not a chance.

Soooo, when it is fired up for real and putting out ungodly radiation under huge magnetic fields, I wonder how that L0D will take it. Talk about a torture test!
 

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pezdragon,

There will be very little radiation there below the beamline, at one of the interaction regions. Your L0D will be just fine for whoever finds it.

In point of fact, you simply CAN'T create ungodly radiation at the detector, because you would destroy it if you kept that up. You might think that the collisions there would be creating lots of radiation, but they aren't. That's why the beam lifetimes of the stored beams are measured in hours, not minutes. Massive radiation is created when you dump a stored beam, and if your L0D were lost at a beam dump, it would end up getting pretty hot after months and months of running.

Actually, funny story, one of my co-workers lost his radiation badge in the tunnel--dropped it on the floor, below the beamline (about 1.5 meters below it)--and didn't realize until he was back in the control room and the machine was running again! LOL! He figured it would show lots of radiation.

It didn't. Not even a mRem or two. Crazy, huh? It convinced him that the whole radiation badge thing was B.S. and a scam or something.

Not so, though, as I picked up some radiation when I was working in the converter cave, where CESR creates positrons (via Bremstrelaugn sp???)by slamming lots of electrons into a tungsten target. The cave is hot, and if you stood next to the converter for an hour, you'd pick up 50-100 mRem easy. I picked up 5 or 10 or something.

So, no the reason his badge didn't show lots of radiation is simply that the beams in an accelerator are very finely tuned and shaped and bunched and if you are below the orbit plane, and not near a beam dump, and especially if you are to the inside of the ring, you are unlikely to see much radiation. Strange but true. This is not always the case, of course, especially if the beam goes unstable or gets dumped, and I would damn well never want to test it personally by being in an accelerator when it was on--but if I did get trapped there, you'd find me on the floor, to the inside of the ring.

In CESR, and in all accelerators, there are stringent and nearly fool proof measures in place to ensure that no one is inside when they are turned on, however!

Anyway, I know it seems counter-intuitive that the interaction region, where collisions occur, wouldn't get ungodly radiation, but that's because collisions of a proton against a proton are very rare. Of the trillions of protons that pass through each other, one bunch going one way, the other bunch going the opposite way, a collision is rare. This is why the beams aren't continuous streams, but are formed into bunches, like cars in a train, and why they are squeezed down into dense clouds--all of it to increase the number of events per second in the detector.

Contrast this with a situation where you take trillions of high energy protons and slam them all into a bunch of water cooled metal. Now THAT's a lot of radiation!

OK. Cutting myself off.
 
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So, pezdragon, that isn't a bunch of protons we've watched being accelerated round and round there in there, it's your L0D?? LOL!
 

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I do agree that away from the beamline the radation would be rather low. However the pixel detector,which is just a few centemeters from the beam at the collision point will be exposed to very high radation. Every componet had to be rad hard. All materials used if not know to be already rad hard had to sent to LLNL to be exposed to levels predicted. The pixel detector does have a lifetime tho, it will degrade in a matter of years of planned runs. We are allready working on the upgrade.
It was just in fun that I mentioned the fate of my little L0D....a bit of "added flavor" to help the story.....;)
 

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pezdragon,

Got it! Didn't mean to go off on you--just thought that most people would find it curious, and so explained myself. Sorry!

On another, and more important note, I bet it was pretty freaking amazing to work on and around that detector and at that facility.
 
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It really was quite an experience. I was sent to CERN 4-5 times over the last 2 years for 3 week shifts. I have never in my life seen a "machine" as large and complex.The part (pixel detector/and the related support structures) I was involved with were actually relatively small, on the order of 4 meters long and 75 cm in dia. The actual inner detector was much smaller. The endcaps were each given a first class seat with a escort from California to Geneva.
It was challenging working with so many people with different languages in the confined spaces, but I will never forget it :grin2:

this is a good site for more info http://atlasexperiment.org/

and this is fun...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM
 
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