Make me love Incans

Chrispy

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Hi, I've been lurking on here for a little while reading and rightly or wrongly get the feeling the LED based threads can concentrate only the measurable aspects of a lights performance, whereas in here I've read threads that suggest the poster 'likes' their light, for some other reason besides the qualities of it's beam pattern etc.

I'm an absolute newbie, until very recently my belief with lights was that Maglites are where it's at, hence having a 2D, 4D and 6D, all Incans. Then I read on a UK police forum about guys that had far smaller and brighter torches. This is why I now have a Fenix T1, and Nitecore's Extreme and D20.

So, to my question, what do you recommend as an Incan, that will make me love them? It doesn't have to be a new light as I don't mind a simple mod to any of the Mags, but I'm not looking to invest in specialist rechargeable batteries. Yet.
 
Hi, I've been lurking on here for a little while reading and rightly or wrongly get the feeling the LED based threads can concentrate only the measurable aspects of a lights performance, whereas in here I've read threads that suggest the poster 'likes' their light, for some other reason besides the qualities of it's beam pattern etc.

I'm an absolute newbie, until very recently my belief with lights was that Maglites are where it's at, hence having a 2D, 4D and 6D, all Incans. Then I read on a UK police forum about guys that had far smaller and brighter torches. This is why I now have a Fenix T1, and Nitecore's Extreme and D20.

So, to my question, what do you recommend as an Incan, that will make me love them? It doesn't have to be a new light as I don't mind a simple mod to any of the Mags, but I'm not looking to invest in specialist rechargeable batteries. Yet.
Try a Wolf-Eyes with the rechargeable kit.

A Raider is a great start:

http://www.pts-flashlights.com/products/productList.aspx?uid=1-140-4-13
 
I have to agree with Sgt. LED, the SureFire A2 is an excellent incandescent. I'm not sure about your budget, but I'd be willing to bet that would love incandescence if you tried a SureFire M6 also.

With that being said, it really depends on what you plan to use it for. Just like in the LED sub-forum, people always ask for recommendations based on how they plan to use it.

I started out on here buying LEDs, but all my recent purchases have been incans. I love my A2 + M6 combo. My A2 provides a good stealthy red low beam from its LEDs and a bright white incan beam which is really about perfect output for most tasks. But when I need the "big gun", the M6 is perfect! :twothumbs
 
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Originally Posted by StarHalo
You can do a simple $40 drop-in incandescent mod to a (5"/EDC-size) Surefire 6P that will output 630 lumens.

Please the Recipie

Yea how? Does that 21 watt bi pin bulb adaptor thingy really make this much power:naughty:? I guess it would if the ROP "like 25 watts" makes 780-1080 lumens, then I would figure 21 would make around 630:thinking:. Though wattage doesn't tell everything:confused:, my 37.5 watt "long life though 300 hours" only makes 625 lumens:rolleyes:.
 
welcome to cfp.
1st.... get some rechargable batts. when i found those rcr-123 AW's i started truly enjoying incan...
my favorite incan at the moment is SF e2e witha LF ho-2r lamp. this combination has great spill and good throw. it's the perfect light for me.
or you could try a 6p... add a LF SR-9 and you're set....
if you don't love incans after that then you're dead.
 
I have quite a few lights, mostly Mag Mods. Finally got a SF-M6 (also have a SF M4 & SF L2). While I like the M6, I would not start with an M6 or an M4. Three main reasons I say this are:

  • Their initial expense (including a rapid appetite to consume SF 123a Litium batteries @ $1.75 each) is hard to justify starting out. Yes you get high quality, but more affordable flashlights will hold up to normal use just fine. If you are going to get a rechargeable setup, you will have some additional expenses and limited parts availability.

  • Their lumen output is not what you can get with simple Mag Mods. SF uses a diffuse coating on reflector that results in more of a flood beam which reduces "throw."

  • If you like to have fast on/off one hand operation with thumb on side; arm in normal walking position, these SF models have a tailcap push button requiring practical use of cocking up your elbow with hand help at head level--gets old.
I would recommend starting out with a simple "ROP" bulb replacement and see how you like that cheap first step. Then you can take a look at my now aging Maglist thread in my sig for other ideas and ranking. I just added the M6 into spot #14.
 
Thanks for all the replies.
Budget depends a lot on where I have to buy from and if importing from the US then I'll have to consider whether a light is worth the price and the tax, but I guess I'd be happy to spend about twice the price of a Fenix TK10.

As for use, and I know this may sound weird, but I'll find a use for the right light! - The main thing I'm trying to achieve is to source a 'good' Incan, one that I can compare to my LED lights & get a feel for how & why they're different.
 
It's impossible to identify "a good incan" because there are many more variations than with LED lights. I think you sill see the point and discern main differences vs. LED with the ROP Pellican bulb which swaps bulbs with stock mag. There are many ways to power it which you can follow link to thread from my sig mag list. ROP is #17 now.
 
Hello Chrispy,

In my personal experience, and I'm sure this is shared by many others: Rechargeable options, especially those compact lithium-ion options, make it possible to truly appreciate incans without the guilt of feeding a constant stream of expensive primary cells. Incans are power hungary, and a lot of that juice just gets converted to heat in the process. Knowing that you can keep recharging and using without knowing that so much is going down the drain makes using an incan far more rewarding. The M6 with the HOLA option, is a very neat flashlight, but at a rate of 6 CR123s every 15-20 minutes, it has an astronomical cost of operation. What tends to happen is that, when you know your usage is directly associated with having to fork over more for cells, you tend to "conserve" your usage, and not use the light in as many opportunities as you might otherwise.

Using li-ion in a flashlight does require a little bit of understanding of those cells, how they work, and how to properly care for them and use them to stay safe and effective. There are some modern advancements li-ion battery technology that really change the rules. If runtime is not an issue, there are some very compact options possible that can produce massive output, output and throw that rivals most LEDs, but in these setups, runtime isn't measured in hours, it's measured in minutes. On the other end of the spectrum, there are some very conservative setups that can run for well over an hour, that produce useful levels of illumination that is pleasant and reliable and practical in many applications. In any case, when you know in the back of your mind that you can recharge it at any time, you are actually more likely to TRY to use the flashlight whenever possible, to try to make use of your investment in rechargeable cells, and just, because it's fun to turn on a small piece of sunlight.

Without a price range specified for an incan that you will fall in love with, it's hard to make a recommendation. The nice thing about a SureFire M6 is that it's easy to fall in love with it's design and appearance. It just jumps out as being something special. But with an MSRP over $400, your wallet may not love it at all... (depends what kind of income bracket you are in I supposed!).... I own one, but I shouldn't, it's way over my income bracket and is one of those purchases that for many of us, (like myself), is made because after years in this hobby, it just seems like it's time to own one, or for various other reasons of nostalgia. It also helps that I can write it off on my Taxes since i am building and selling battery adapters for it... That aside, as a first incan to fall in love with, the M6 would not be my recommendation, I would say that your desire to own one may grow in time, but it will be for reasons beyond pure performance to price/size ratio etc etc. Having said that, if you can comfortably afford an M6, go for it:)

My recommendation is to have a look at the Wolf-Eyes M90 series of lights. The D36 mini-turbo configuration is a nice balance between throwing capability and head size. Holstered, lights like this are still very portable. Running on either 2x18650, 3x18500, or 3x18650 size li-ion cell (depending on configuration options), the light has great output, a decent balance of throw and flood in most bulb options, and reasonable runtimes. My personal recommendation would be a standard M90 12V, (to act as host), a Pila IBC charger, 2 or 4 AW brand protected 3.7V 18650 Li-Ion cells, upgrade the bulb to a LumensFactory EO-9L. This will be a nice intro to "good" incandescent configurations that still have some winning angles against LED's.

Eric
 
You gotta try a big power incan to appreciate them. Especially in the rain. I do not like the M3 as 2x18500 is a tight fit. M4, or M6. Good stuff.
 
A three-cell Surefire is an awesome personal light - standard P90 and all. G3, maybe?

But to really get a feel for oomph, you can put a ROP bulb and six NiMH cells in a disposable 99 cent 2D flashlight, with Kai battery adapters. If you already have the batteries, you're looking at $4 worth of disposable parts. The bulb set is $6-12, but you can put them in a real ROP when parts arrive. As far as simple mods go, a ROP is pretty simple, and so very satisfying.
 
Wow, a lot of food for thought there. Cheers for all the input.
Looks like I'm going to have to do some research on batteries before I make a decision.

At the moment there's so much on here that I still need to read; I've never heard of 18500 and 18650's before, I don't know (yet) about the dangers of li-ion cells or the merits of protected cells etc.
I've read about running cells hot of a charger and instaflash, whilst I've an idea of what this must mean, I've not got the knowledge to make an investment in a particular cell type. Lots more reading for me!

I'm thinking of being able to spend approx $150-200, but reading your replies and the links in LuxLuthors sig, I think I may go down the ROP route first. I know there's a lot that's already been posted on the ROP, and I will make time to go through it, but as I have 2D, 4D and 6D Maglites (BTW, why do I see it written as M*glite so much?) is there a configuration that would use readily available primaries in one of these hosts and allow me to build the ROP whilst I'm researching all the battery/charger options?
 
from what I know, it's somewhat unlikely for a li-ion to do anything bad unless you're abusing it(or mixing them), but incans may drain li-ions to the point of no return(or charging)
 
Actually, you could run six Ni-MH cells in a ROP battery configuration on a stock 6-cell Mag bulb (get the Magnum-Star xenon ones; they have a smooth tip, while the crappier White Star krypton ones have a little glass blob tip) for something useful, cheap-ish, and not requiring you to replace the window or reflector. I recommend Sanyo Eneloop AA batteries both for convenience and performance, and if you're willing to spend $150-200, you can get a really nice ROP built.

Fivemega's NiMH adapters are second to none, and can be charged by a six-cell pack charger (for a standard ROP, you want a six AA to two D adapter). MDocod's are cheap, and somewhat open-source - he distributes the plans and specs for his for free for the good of the hobby. They're also user-servicable and heavy duty. For the record, I use a secondhand Fivemega pack and love it. I've yet to get a pack charger, though.

Lenses are easier, FlashLightLens.com has many choices for cheap, or you could get some from Kaidomain if slow shipping is okay.

Reflectors can be had from the Sandwich Shoppe, Fivemega sometimes, Kaidomain always (half the price, lower quality, two month shipping). FM's are said to offer the best beams, but I've yet to try one.
 

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