My sister wants a new flashlight- Anyone to help?

[FILA BRAZILIA]

Heisan. ("Hello" in norwegian)

My sister wants a new flashlight, and I was hoping you could help her out. She has a couple of Coast LED lights at the moment, bought by mistake, sadly. She happens to dislike (in fact, hate) the white/blue-ish LED light coming from these. Yellow light, produced by incandescent flashlight (or maybe some HIDS?) is more "her street".
Those are her wishes for her new light, would REALLY appreciate some help.
1. She really wants a FLOOD light (wall of light)
2. Incandescent, yellow-ish color
3. Small in size- and more important- small grip (easy to grip with small hands)
4. Light must be powered from rechargeable batteries, and also- easy to recharge.
5. Would prefer a flashlight made by rubber, plastic, or some other material that doesn`t get very cold in the winter.
6. Lumens rating- at least 200 lumens.
7. Runtime- 90 mins and above.

Best wishes, FILA BRAZILIA.

 

[tebore]

Just for future reference there are LEDs with the warm yellow color of incans.
Ideally something like a Nitecore D10 with one of these LED would be amazing.

On to your specs.
You have a bunch of conflicting specs. You want small, bright(200 lumens), and long running. Those would easy with LED. However with incans you'll have to pick 2.

If you want long running and over 200 lumens you're looking at using C-cells. To put it in to perspective. I have a 6D maglight that puts out around 400-600 lumens that only runs for about 2 hours on rechargeables.

I suppose you'd want to keep her away from lithiums, which further kills options of small. You need to get voltage up to get the current going to get that brightness up there.

 

[AzN1337c0d3r]

Heisan. ("Hello" in norwegian)

My sister wants a new flashlight, and I was hoping you could help her out. She has a couple of Coast LED lights at the moment, bought by mistake, sadly. She happens to dislike (in fact, hate) the white/blue-ish LED light coming from these. Yellow light, produced by incandescent flashlight (or maybe some HIDS?) is more "her street".
Those are her wishes for her new light, would REALLY appreciate some help.
1. She really wants a FLOOD light (wall of light)
2. Incandescent, yellow-ish color
3. Small in size- and more important- small grip (easy to grip with small hands)
4. Light must be powered from rechargeable batteries, and also- easy to recharge.
5. Would prefer a flashlight made by rubber, plastic, or some other material that doesn`t get very cold in the winter.
6. Lumens rating- at least 200 lumens.
7. Runtime- 90 mins and above.

Best wishes, FILA BRAZILIA.

The Surefire P91 module does 200 lumens... but it's 3 batteries every 20 minutes. We're talking mag-lite sized flashlights if it has to be incandescent.

HIDs usually put out well over 200 lumens, but again, the smallest size I've seen them in is mag-lite sized flashlights.

You really need to go with LEDs if you want something that you can hold in your fist.

I'd recommend a Surefire 9P with one of Malkoff's M60 modules. Ask if he can put a warmer tint Q5 in there.

Unfortunately you're not going to be able to get anything with a plastic body, as LEDs being driven at 200 lumens tend to get quite hot and need the metal body of the flashlight to remove the heat.

 

[Gunner12]

Would a warmer white LED work?

The main problem here would be the heat because the LED could overheat in a polymer body.

If you want small, over 200 lumen, and polymer body, and warm color, I don't know of any thing that would fit in that category. The closest would be a warm tinted LED light.

For 200+ lumen from an incan an a runtime of 90 minutes, it won't be small that's for sure,

How small is small?

The Closest thing that I can think of with a warm tint would be a P60 accepting light with a warm white LED drop-in like this one. It won't be 200 lumen out the front.

 

[tebore]

Just for future reference there are LEDs with the warm yellow color of incans.
Ideally something like a Nitecore D10 with one of these LED would be amazing. Maybe something you want to look in to doing. Swapping the LED in a LED light to a warm white LED it'll be easy to fulfill your requirements.

On to your specs.
You have a bunch of conflicting specs. You want small, bright(200 lumens), and long running. Those would easy with LED. However with incans you'll have to pick 2.

If you want long running and over 200 lumens you're looking at using C-cells. To put it in to perspective. I have a 6D maglight that puts out around 400-600 lumens that only runs for about 2 hours on rechargeables.

I suppose you'd want to keep her away from lithiums, which further kills options of small. You need to get voltage up to get the current going to get that brightness up there.

 

[cdosrun]

As asked before, how small is small?

I will only reiterate the suggestions above but you could suggest something like a Dereelight CL1H (which is a P60 host) with a orange-peel reflector and the A5-Q2 module might be getting there if it is floody enough. It runs on 18650 Li-ion rechargeables and has three levels. Alternatively, I think it needs to be a P60 host with a floody Malkoff and the A5-Q2 LED if he will provide one.

Andrew

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

WOW, it seems that all the LED fan-boys arrived together. They are like religious fundamentalists trying to convert the "infidels".

What the OP is asking for is easily accomplished by a Mini-HID, and it will be FAR superior to anything an LED is capable of.

 

[tebore]

WOW, it seems that all the LED fan-boys arrived together.

What the OP is asking for is easily accomplished by a Mini-HID, and it will be FAR superior to anything an LED is capable of.

Hmm mini-HID. Lets see.

>$300
Runs custom batteries. Or lithiums.
5-30 seconds before full brightness.
Ain't that small at least 2D sized.

It meets the requirements alright except maybe the battery. But there are down sides.

 

[Metatron]

http://www.wolf-eyes.com/product/Guider.html

 

[TITAN1833]

WOW, it seems that all the LED fan-boys arrived together.

I was late!

What is wrong with led?

@the OP there is good and bad in both!(hid or led) it is your choice

Choose well :wave:

 

[glockboy]

"Coast LED lights" used 5mm led, it's blue-ish, buy the nitecore D10, NDI, it's used Cree, it is white.

 

[Gunner12]

Most of the smaller HIDs seem to have 6000 K bulbs, which is a bit on the cool side.

I think your best choice would be a warm white LED light powered by 2 AA batteries.

 

[lctorana]

I am a little concerned that requirements 3 and 7 might be conflicting, but if a 2C torch qualifies as "small" then the below solution is good to go.

Requirements 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 should be met by the following:

1. Start by buying a basic plastic 2C from your local variety store.
2. Replace the bulb with a Pelican 3853L (7.2V, 290 nominal lumens)
3. Use 2 x "Protected 18500" lithium cells (e.g. from AW).
4. Buy a cheap charger (Ultrafire UF-139 is good, as it has separate channels to look after the batteries properly).

Note very carefully that I said "3853L" not "3854L". I am not talking about the RoP-low bulb, but its equally bright 7.2V cousin. It won't be overdriven, so won't be too white.

The one requirement this does not meet is #1, but with suitable shimming of the bulb, a degree of flood can be achieved.

This does mean resorting to lithium batteries, but from her level of detailed interest, your sister sounds to me like she can easily learn how to look after these batteries.

Alternately, if money is no object, then how about the following:

1. Start by buying a Surefire G3.
2. Replace the bulb with a Lumens Factory SR-9 (7.6V, 220 nominal lumens)
3. Use 2 x "Protected 17500" lithium cells.
4. Charger as above.

This will do an identical job, but for a much greater cost.

 

[Wattnot]

Compromise city here:

What about that Inova 2008 T1? That's floody and warm but I'm not sure about rechargeables and it's only 100 or so lumens.

I also wanted to say Fenix P2D or P3D REBEL editions. The P2D is single cell but no rechargeables - the P3D can take RCR123's. I don't see Rebel's on Fenixes site anymore though.

Then there's the R2 drop-ins. I hear they're a little warmer. You could get a G2 and drop one of those in there with a 17670 maybe. Of course you'd be better off with an 18650 host but you mentioned plastic as a preference . . .

You'll probably need to get her to like the LED's more to meet all of your requirements.

 

[lctorana]

You'll probably need to get her to like the LED's more to meet all of your requirements.

Absolutely. How DARE someone ask for an incan recommendation in the incan forum! The temerity!

(never mind that I just suggested two incan solutions, one upmarket, one cheap, that met all 7 requirements...)

 

[PhantomPhoton]

WOW, it seems that all the LED fan-boys arrived together. They are like religious fundamentalists trying to convert the "infidels".

:duh2:

What the OP is asking for is easily accomplished by a Mini-HID, and it will be FAR superior to anything an LED is capable of.

:thinking:
A Wolf Eyes P7 Sniper will put out just as much light for around an hour.

A Mini-HID goes at 50 L/W the LED far exceeds this with similar color temperature in a smaller package for the same runtime. Plus it better fits the wall of light wanted by the OP and it can be used on lower settings to conserve power and be more friendly to use indoors.


Anyway back to the OP...
You're not going to get 200 lumens and 90 minutes runtime in a "small" package. You can get a decent performance from a P-91 (or its Lumens Factory equivalent) if you run it from 2 18650 Li Ions. You can get such a setup stock form a Wolf Eyes Rattlesnake. I'm not sure who the European WE dealer is, sorry.

Beyond that you're looking at doing M@gmods, but those usually are shorter runtime with more brightness. Not much chance of a plastic light without some modding either. However you can easily wrap an aluminum light in someting like tennis raquet grip tape to guard against the cold.

Hope this helps. :wave:
ha det (I think)

 

[fivemega]

1. She really wants a FLOOD light (wall of light)

This can be done by heavy texture reflector or even etching the bulb.

2. Incandescent, yellow-ish color

Xenon bulb will do this.

3. Small in size- and more important- small grip (easy to grip with small hands)

Is 2C M*g small enough and easy to carry?

4. Light must be powered from rechargeable batteries, and also- easy to recharge.

2 AW's "C" size batteries. Easy to recharge?

5. Would prefer a flashlight made by rubber, plastic, or some other material that doesn`t get very cold in the winter.

How about rubber grip? Like Poly Stinger. Streamlight part #750277

6. Lumens rating- at least 200 lumens.

Carley 1057 will provide well more than that.

7. Runtime- 90 mins and above.

You will get +90 minutes run time.