New Arc Products for Winter 2002...

[Roy]

Will the current LS (Rev 1) work with the Rev 2 2x123 battery tube?

 

[vcal]

Sounds like exciting news!
At this point, I think that the LS-2 would fill my needs pretty adequately, I would think that the "run time" on the same batteries would be aLOT better with the 1 watt HD over the (2-3) watt LS-3.

 

[Gransee]

Good question Roy! The 2x123 pack should not be used with the LS1 or LS2. The 6volts will certainly fry the LED.

The 2x123 pack is specifically designed for "overdriving" the LS3 design.

Peter Gransee

 

[Radiant]

It sounds to me like the LS3 will illuminate things roughly the same brightness as an LS1 except the beam will cover double the area. Or is the hotspot brighter with just alot more diffuse light at the edges? Is there any control over beam sizes when designing the lights or are they determined by the LED manufacturer?

 

[CiTY]

Peter,
Could you ever see yourself offering C or D cell housings to extend the run time on the new LS3. One hour is a bit short on run time compared to what we are used to...

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I'm happy to see Arc leaping forward,but I really hate to see the 1 watt LS leave the stable.For a general utility and walking around at night flashlight,the current offering is great.The LS2 sounds like it will be the perfect light.I hope I can get one when they are offered.The LS3.I can't see myself ordering one.Maybe some beamshots will convince me.
troy

 

[Carpe Diem]

Peter...

I agree with Graham, in that just one hour of run time for the LS3 will not, IMHO, make for a very useful flashlight. Hopefully that can be remedied, with steps taken to create a longer run time.

I never thought I would ever say this, but at least with the LS3, brighter may NOT be better.

The LS2 with a high dome, on the other hand, looks exciting. If possible, please keep that flashlight in your inventory on a regular (or at least a very lengthy) basis...so we can get as many of those as desired.

No matter what, though...if you build it, we will undoubtedly buy it!

Best wishes to you.

 

[this_is_nascar]

Sounds exciting, but at $200 a pop, I don't see me purchasing more than 1, if that.

 

[Lux Luthor]

Do you guys really carry only one flashlight????

If so, then I suppose you'd have a problem with a one hour runtime. If you have a separate short range light, though, then one hour is plenty. Peter seems to be striving for a longer throw light that will hopefully replace an incandescent. I bless him for it.

 

[this_is_nascar]

Peter, I was just thinking. If you're going to discontinue the making of the LS1, how do you plan to honor the 10-year warranty?

Let's say one year-6 my LS1 bites the big one. How would I be able to get a replacement under your 10-year warranty program?

 

[moraino]

Originally posted by Gransee:
Good question Roy! The 2x123 pack should not be used with the LS1 or LS2. The 6volts will certainly fry the LED.

The 2x123 pack is specifically designed for "overdriving" the LS3 design.

Peter Gransee

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How about a special custom made collimator, 10 degree or less, for long throw 2x123 tube. Just a thought.

Henry

 

[Gransee]

Nascar, here's the escalation:

1. repair
2. replace with same model
3. replace with similiar model
4. refund

This is pretty typical with the industry.

The rev2 housing may be more repairable than the rev1.

Originally posted by Lux Luthor:
Do you guys really carry only one flashlight????

If so, then I suppose you'd have a problem with a one hour runtime. If you have a separate short range light, though, then one hour is plenty. Peter seems to be striving for a longer throw light that will hopefully replace an incandescent. I bless him for it.

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Thanks! And good point. As most already know, we design brighter over runtime as a matter of principle...

A wise CPF'er once said something to the effect of, "a bright light can be extended by carrying extra batteries, but a dim light is still dim regardless of how many batteries you have".

Peter Gransee

 

[vcal]

Originally posted by Gransee:

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A wise CPF'er once said something to the effect of, "a bright light can be extended by carrying extra batteries, but a dim light is still dim regardless of how many batteries you have".
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Another wise CPFer that I know, once observed that if your flashlight is too dim, you may have already selected the wrong flashlight in the first place

 

[Graham]

Originally posted by Lux Luthor:
Do you guys really carry only one flashlight????

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, but is there anyone here who can honestly say that if he/she wouldn't prefer one light which could do the job of two or more?

My point is that we already have access to bright, small lights which run on 2 123 cells for about an hour. If I want very bright light for short times, I'll get my E2e.

I like the Arc LS because I can switch it on, and leave it on for half an hour or an hour and not worry about it burning up, and know that I'll still have power to spare.

I applaud Arc Flashlight for staying at the bleeding edge of technology, but based on this description of the product direction, I think my Arc LS purchases will stop with the LS2..

Graham

 

[McGizmo]

IMHO, The LS2 sounds like the ultimate refinement of its predecessor, the LS1; a light with its own niche and merits.

The LS3 is a new step in brightness VS runtime and certainly will find competition with existing product. A 1 watt Luxeon works well in close to mid range illumination. Isn't there room for a 1 watt even when the 5 watt comes out?

- Don

 

[B@rt]

Hi Don, off topic, but what kind of epoxy did you use for the "flat lens AAA" ? I'd like to do something simular to my Infinity...

 

[Alan]

As LED approach higher power, its advantage in power efficiency over incandescent will be diminished as expected, at least for current technology. LED might still be better due to its white light and long-lived bulb (reliability). However, when brightness/runtime/quality is the only factor comes to play, how do you guys compare LS3 with E2E?

E2E is 5W+ and run 75 min on 2 123 Cells while LS3 is 3W and run 60 min on same battery pack. E2E has pyrex lens and LOTC, not to mention that SF tailcap is well proven and solid. It costs 1/3 as LS3. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying either one is better than the others. I simply wonder how the public (except die hard flashaholics) justify the price difference for a dimmer light for the same runtime, size and battery.

Just curious

Alan

 

[tygger]

the LS2 sounds like the perfect light. i too like the longer runtime. my question is, if the LS2 is only produced for a short time is there a way to pre-order or get on a wait list to make sure we get one? if so, when will we be able to order? i would hate to miss out on that model.

 

[Glow Bug]

I think both the LS2 and LS3 should be continually offered. I will take both please. If the LS2 is going to be temporarly offered, I too would like to preorder if that becomes an option.

 

[Carpe Diem]

Originally posted by Glow Bug:
I think both the LS2 and LS3 should be continually offered. I will take both please. If the LS2 is going to be temporarly offered, I too would like to preorder if that becomes an option.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">DITTO!