new member - Light Recommendation

Arcfasher

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1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

Somewhere in the 100-150 range. Leaning to the lower end of the scale but have the budget.

3) Format:

I am not sure, please help me decide.

Leaning toward a flashlight, but could be convinced to get a mounted light.


4) Size:


____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
____SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).



5) Emitter/Light source:

____LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)



6) Manufacturer:

____I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.

I've looked mainly a Fenix and Streamlight. Open to SME suggestions hence the post.


7) What power source do you want to use?


____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).

I've got a flat top 21700 that came with a UV beast light. Not that it matters, I'd be fine with 18650 as well.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option

____I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).


____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

Main use case would be night mountain bike riding, night skiing, road trip light, and walking around in the winter in a snowy area.

___X_SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

I'm not sure, probably something in in the middle? Some flood leaning towards throw for high speed on bike/snowboard.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)

Not really, sure I've never had a light for night riding.

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).


____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):


____I don't know.



13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.


____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)



14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)


15) Water resistance

____IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
____Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)

All of the above.


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments


Additional background:

I have a streamlight 1l-1aa, which is great for EDC tasks and dog walks and so forth. Suits my needs great there. I've been wanting to get into night MTB righting. I know a lot of folks might recommend a bike specific light such as the outbound lighting or the Fenix BC30, but some solutions are out of my price range (outbound), and I was thinking I could get something with dual purpose. Use it with a bike mount or a normal torch.

I've been looking at the Fenix pd36r v2 the pd32r, bc26r, bc30r. I'm thinking something with moden 21700 or 18650s would be ideal. I'm not stuck on Fenix, I've just read good things and they seem to be well liked.

I like streamlight, but it appears that they're behind the industry as far as value. Pretty much willing to look at any brand, but I'd like something that won't let me down in the mountains where weather can be pretty random or heavy snow at anytime.

My main use cases would be night MTB riding in the mountains for now and later would be for night snowboarding. It would be cool to use as a general purpose light as well.

Thank you!
 
For biking you might check out Lupine and Lucifer lights. Can be a bit pricey, but they are excellent for biking. Lucifer lights is only sold in Czechoslovakia, and Lupine is sold in USA although they are German lights.
 
Here is a budget option. Sofirn is known for making decent quality lights at a low price. Idk anything about this particular light just thought I'd throw it out there as an option. Personally I would buy this for the bike and then buy the PD36r v2 for a handheld. I own the PD36r v2 and it is one of my most used lights. Beam has very good throw and nice spill around the hotspot, long run times as well.
 
My ebike has a Convoy C8 with a 519A emitter. Using a modified bike light mount; not great but free.

Using zip ties, a Convoy S2+ with a Zebralight headlamp mount is on the bike helmet. Also has a Nichia 519A LED.

Having a light source lower than the eyes helps provide depth perception and surface texture.

The helmet mount is also invaluable for seeing things off to the side and all around.
 
For biking you might check out Lupine and Lucifer lights. Can be a bit pricey, but they are excellent for biking. Lucifer lights is only sold in Czechoslovakia, and Lupine is sold in USA although they are German lights.
I must note a small but significant correction to brother tonkem's post above: Lucifer lights, which he correctly notes are made in the Czech Republic, are easily shipped to U.S. addresses, without any customs duties on the buyer. And as to the speed of delivery, Lucifer headlamp arrived via USPS within a week of its online purchase.

If one of the 18650-powered Lucifer headlamps is within your budget, I'm confident that you'll be very, very pleased with it, and that you'll get many years of hard use from it. The phrase "Buy Once, Cry Once" applies here. That noted, you will indeed get more than your money's worth from these headlamps.
 
If we're talking bike lights, check out Fenix.
More expensive that Sofirn, but considerably better quality.
Heck of a lot less expensive than certain other lights from other brands.
 
I must note a small but significant correction to brother tonkem's post above: Lucifer lights, which he correctly notes are made in the Czech Republic, are easily shipped to U.S. addresses, without any customs duties on the buyer. And as to the speed of delivery, Lucifer headlamp arrived via USPS within a week of its online purchase.

If one of the 18650-powered Lucifer headlamps is within your budget, I'm confident that you'll be very, very pleased with it, and that you'll get many years of hard use from it. The phrase "Buy Once, Cry Once" applies here. That noted, you will indeed get more than your money's worth from these headlamps.
Did you end up going with a Lucifer 18650 headlamp? Had a chance to put it through its paces, first impressions?
 
I'm less interested in a headlight those do look interesting though. Headlamps and helmets sounds like a conflicting solution heh.
 
Did you end up going with a Lucifer 18650 headlamp? Had a chance to put it through its paces, first impressions?
I went with the Z2Micro, the smallest Lucifer headlamp, which uses a user-replaceable 18500 cell. I bought it because I'm often able to sneak in an extended day hike during business travel, with almost all hikes ending after nightfall. The 18500 cell offers excellent run time, and the headlamp fits inside a small hardshell case that I repurposed from an older, less capable Fenix headlamp from ten years past. (The smaller size of the Z2Micro was a critical factor in my selection.) Extra 18500 cells are always an easy item to fit in my carry-on bags, and with the really, really long runtimes the Lucifer Z2Micro offers, coupled with the three 18500 cells (2000 mAh each) I carry with me, I'm confident that I'll be able to navigate unfamiliar terrain all night if I need to. The headlamp is ruggedly built, able to withstand hard use, and the 4500k beam pattern is superb for illuminating outdoor environments, from forest trails to singletrack. Mode spacing is excellent, and easily selected. I couldn't be happier with the light.
 
Nitecore MH12 Pro. Get some spare unprotected Molicel P45B 4500 mAh 21700 batteries for cold weather. They are cheap and the best on the market ($5-$10 at 18650batterystore.com when available). If you want to blow money on expensive protected cold weather cells, you can spend $24 on Nitecore 4200 mAh cells likely made from last generation Molicel P42A cells. Light has a good spread of brightness settings for all uses, with 3300 lumens and 552 yards of throw on turbo.

I like Fenix lights for simplicity and durability, but they have been omitting a low setting below 25-30 lumens on their larger lights. That makes them less useful for reading in a tent, as a night light, for late night trips in camp to the bathroom without waking people up, and most importantly emergencies when you want your battery to last through a long term disaster (injured snowboarding at night waiting for help, mine collapse, lost in cave, power outage from a hurricane, etc.). Snow is reflective. Sometimes even 1 lumen can be useful to see, and too much light can be blinding. Also sometimes areas are full of insects (not in winter) and you have to work with minimal light to keep them from flying at you. Sucks to ring the dinner bell for all the mosquitoes with your flashlight.
 

Check out the BBB and Ravemen models.

I've had the BBB 2000 BLS-173 for +/- 8 months. Great user interface (meaning uncomplicated and very useful) and built like a freaking tank !! Which means that if you're barefoot or in socks and you drop this, you may be saying goodbye to your toes !! I'm not even joking. Designed and engineered in the Netherlands but built in PRC.

I've also had a Lezyne 600 model for +/- 18 months I think. Not bad but build quality is nothing like BBB. And even though it still works, it has developped a little "hit and miss" on start up, AND a rattle inside. I will not be re-buying from them.

Can't say anything avout the Ravemens but they do seem interesting and they do get good reviews apparently.

Note that I purchased the Lezyne and the BBB Cycling models in the same local bike shop (real brick & mortar) and unfortunately; Ravemen are not distributed in that fashion. (yeah, the above link is only for illustration purposes).

Also... saving up for a Lupine Betty !

Cheers.:au:
 
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