NiMH deep discharge recovery

Canuke

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I was running a batch of 6 Eneloops in my Canon 5D with battery grip, in part because I was testing an issue with this camera where it would go "schizo" after the battery voltage went to "half"; once it did that, it wouldn't come back even after the battery was recharged. It was back from Canon's third try at the problem, so I wanted to be sure they got it this time.

Since 6 NiMH's have .2 V less than the 7.4 Li-Ions it usually takes, I decided to run the camera on the Eneloops to see if it got squirrelly again. When I put the Eneloops in, they were pretty close in voltage, but were nonetheless a set of four plus a set of two from different (brief) applications with slightly varied discharge states. I also didn't expect the camera to be that hard on the cells, especially in light of its previous voltage pickiness (although in hindsight, it was designed for the 7.4V "intelligent" li-ions, with the AA battery option as backup only, and probably counts on the battery to say "stop").

No such luck. Whatever they swapped out fixed the earlier problem, but almost too well -the camera sucked the batteries all the way down to the point where two batteries measured .9V and the other four -- 90mV (yes, that's milli- with an "m"). Interestingly, the grouping did not match up to what went in -- of four "A" and two "B" group cells, one "A" and one "B" were at .9, the other four at <0.1V

This was discovered yesterday, with the last photo session being a week ago when I shot some pics of the weird orange sky from the wildfires. So, I'm *hoping* that the cells bottomed out on the relatively small current draw the camera has when "off", as I find it hard to believe that the camera shot pics glitch-free on 2V or less.

So, not knowing whether those four were reversed or not, I charged the zeroed cells in the four-cell charger that comes in the Costco kit, and the .9V pair in my Lacrosse BC-900 at 700mA. Charge appears to have terminated normally, and all six cells are "resting" now.

Was that the right thing to do? What's the right way to charge up NiMH cells that have been bottomed out, to minimize the damage?
 
Hello Canuke,

It is probably best if you can figure out a way to not do that over and over again. The cycle life of these cells is related to the depth of discharge. You would be better off charging more often than trying to get every last bit from them.

Since the Eneloop cells hold their capacity very well, perhaps a suggestion would be to charge the cells right after the shoot. That way the parasitic draw would not bring the cells down too far.

At any rate, over discharged cells respond well to an initial 0.1C charge until the voltage gets up to 1.0 volts. After that, charge normally.

Damage to the cells is proportional to the time spent in a very low voltage state. Although, with several cells in a pack there is always the threat of reverse charging, which does a lot of damage and can ruin a cell in one cycle.

If your cells come back and still have good capacity and hold voltage under load, they probably survived OK, with minimal damage.

Tom
 
i did that with my 2xAA Ni-Mh flashlight, forgot to switch it off. The battery voltage went to 0.00v i am sure that the battery suffered somekind of damage but wizard one charger seems to detect the condition and charge slowly until above 1.2v.
 
I don't intend to use any NiMH's in this application again, so repeated bottoming-out of these cells won't be coming from that quarter.Now that I know the original problem with the camera is fixed, it'll be using its own Li-Ion packs from now on.

The Lacrosse BC900 wouldn't charge these cells, showing them as "null", but they seem to have responded to the Sanyo/Costco charger; from what people are saying, that charger is pretty smart, perhaps it also has the "soft start" for whacked cells that rizky-p's wizard apparently has.

Anyway, it's good to know they aren't killed -- thanks!
 
...perhaps it also has the "soft start" for whacked cells that rizky-p's wizard apparently has.
Did I mention that I had a dead cell that my MH-C9000 resuscitated? I think the bad cell test helped, since it uses a short burst of current to see if the cell resistance is too high. That burst seems to help kick dead cells back into life.
 
I've rescued from dead many a cell, using Tom's method.
start off with .1C then up to 1C if cell recovers.

this strategy works well for Ni-cad too. just rescued a number of expensive Dewalt 18v & 24v Ni-cad packs.
 
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