NOT HAPPY WITH LED'S

[LIGHTSMAD]

i have many led flash lights ( MRV-Q5, P3D-Q5, D-MINI-Q5, M1-Q5, HOKUS FOCUS SCC-P4 ) ect!!!

im just not impressed by the power at all......ive upgraded most of them with q5's or scc-p4 leds and so on.

but when i switch on my CONQUEROR Mx 600 incan worth $40ish it blows them away.....for example...i payed $80-90 for mrv $70ish for my p3d and $70ish for d-mini.....its not really a price comparison im getting at.....its the reality of led's...there just not power full enough....specialy for out door tasks......ive seen R-bins R2-R5 ect.....coming in the future but is there going to be much of a power differance or is there going to be anything new in the future....i have looked at lumapowers new flashlights 600-700lm range...maybe thats the solution for the moment!

comments please.......

 

[drmaxx]

Old discussion.....
With all these lights I suspect you are aware of the pros and cons of hotwire and LEDs, so posting such a thread in this section of the forum is borderline to trolling.

 

[LEDninja]

Dereelight has a Q2 5A neutral warm white pill out for their torches. Some beamshots here:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2530570&postcount=43
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2531107&postcount=1
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2538831&postcount=48
DX has a 5A P60 drop in as well.

At the CPF Toronto get together last night my Q25A is better than the Q5s & SSC-P7 on grass & trees but not as good as a Mag 85 incan or a good HID.

Good colour rendition is better than extra brightness. So worry about tint instead of brightness.
Most LEDs have a lot of blue resulting in a flat monochrome blueish-white in the woods. There is no blue coloured things in the woods. Stay away from the 'pure white' tint LEDs when outdoors.
Forget about the brightness part of of the bin (Q5/R2 etc). Check the tint. For currently shipping flashlights 5A is better than WH is better than WG/WD is better than WC. If you have the skills to swap out the emitter Cutter has warm white tints as warm as 8A.
Some reference LED tint charts.
1st what most LED lights today come with:

Here is what you need for outdoors:

 

[lumafist]

Floggèm in the B/S/T...............:devil:

On a more serious note,
there are lights and then there are lights...

I only own customs (apart from 1 E1b-body)..
I would never go back to incans especially now when the "sundrops" are evolving and soon one is going to get my adress on it.....

This all IMO...

 

[Jaygnar]

i have many led flash lights ( MRV-Q5, P3D-Q5, D-MINI-Q5, M1-Q5, HOKUS FOCUS SCC-P4 ) ect!!!

im just not impressed by the power at all......ive upgraded most of them with q5's or scc-p4 leds and so on.

its not really a price comparison im getting at.....its the reality of led's...there just not power full enough....specialy for out door tasks......
comments please.......

What EXACTLY are you doing outdoors that requires so much light?
My TK10 on high is almost obnoxiously bright for just about anything but extreme long range illumination. Are you wearing sunglasses or something? I mean if you need to transform night into broad daylight, then yeah maybe leds are not the option for you.
However, the statement that modern leds are not pwerful enough for outdoor tasks if just false. Sorry, but you're just wrong here and you know it. This whole post feels like trolling to me.

 

[LIGHTSMAD]

ok lads.

i think you drew me a big enough picture......i get the mess.....

led ninja thanks for the graphs they will help.

i think ill stick to incan or hid for the mo....im just into good light for outdoor use....led aint goin to do it yet for me....maybe ill come back to led's in a few years and see if they have improved to meet my standards or in another-words caught up with ( incan hid )!!!!!

 

[generic808]

I don't think he's trolling. I sort of went through the same thing starting off with the good ol' Mag way back when, then converting over to LED. I am now to the point where I pretty much use incan Surefire M's and C's almost exclusively. I do have a TON of LED Surefire's which I'm sure a good number of members probably know by now, but there's just something about incan lighting that I can't describe. I'll take my M6, M4, or M3 over any production LED light out there today, not including customs. But that's just me :nana:

 

[LIGHTSMAD]

yea i think its just my personal choice......we all have our own!

ive no problem buying led's ( run time is good )......provided there is improvement for them in the future!

 

[roymail]

Check out this new Triple led drop in from Malkoff...

Here's some information from the website:

This is a Drop-In Module for Maglite® 2-3 C&D cell flashlights. It is our brightest dropin offered. It is rated at 450+ bulb lumens on 2 Cells and 700+ bulb lumens on 3 Cells. It will easily light objects at 500+ feet. The beam is aproximately 10-12 degrees with a nice combination of spot and flood.
The current output is 600ma per LED on 2 cells and 1000ma per LED on 3 cells. The current draw is approximately 3000ma to 3300ma with a maximum input of 5.5 volts. To insure maximum output, it is recommended that rechargeable cells capable of delivering current in the 3 to 3.5 Amp range be utilized. D sized 10000+ma NIMH cells are ideal for this application.

 

[Zenster]

<snip> ... but there's just something about incan lighting that I can't describe. I'll take my M6, M4, or M3 over any production LED light out there today, not including customs.

I've finally come to realize that I'm some kind of freak when it comes to this, and my color vision must be really twisted in one way or another.

I have come to hate the sickly yellow look of an incan beam, and my most favorite lights for indoors OR outdoors is a Q5, somewhere around WC Bin.

My first thought when I turn on an incan is that the batteries must be almost dead or it wouldn't look like that. :shakehead

Waiting anxiously for the R5's to hit.

 

[generic808]

Check out this new Triple led drop in from Malkoff...

Here's some information from the website:

This is a Drop-In Module for Maglite® 2-3 C&D cell flashlights. It is our brightest dropin offered. It is rated at 450+ bulb lumens on 2 Cells and 700+ bulb lumens on 3 Cells. It will easily light objects at 500+ feet. The beam is aproximately 10-12 degrees with a nice combination of spot and flood.
The current output is 600ma per LED on 2 cells and 1000ma per LED on 3 cells. The current draw is approximately 3000ma to 3300ma with a maximum input of 5.5 volts. To insure maximum output, it is recommended that rechargeable cells capable of delivering current in the 3 to 3.5 Amp range be utilized. D sized 10000+ma NIMH cells are ideal for this application.

I got the email this afternoon for this and clicked on it immediately only to see that it was all sold out :sigh: I would've picked one up just because.

 

[Paul6ppca]

Try looking at some lights by Electro Lumens ,or some P7 mods,or multi emiter led in mag hosts.They are now around 900 lumes and more,have good throw and good sidespill.
I would think that would work well outdoors,for most applications.

 

[TONY M]

I have come to hate the sickly yellow look of an incan beam, and my most favorite lights for indoors OR outdoors is a Q5, somewhere around WC Bin.

My first thought when I turn on an incan is that the batteries must be almost dead or it wouldn't look like that. :shakehead

+1
I am the same way now too much prefering cooler tints to warmer incans in flashlights. Although for indoor lighting at home I find warmer colours easier on the eyes.
Everyone is different I guess and nobody needs to be told what they should like.

 

[Beer]

Posting your dislike of LED's in the LED forum is like poking the hornets nest with a stick.

Now you got them all riled up...:laughing:

 

[generic808]

Posting your dislike of LED's in the LED forum is like poking the hornets nest with a stick.

Now you got them all riled up...:laughing:

Hey, any true flashaholic will like and own both. I have a ton of both types, but I think I've made a full circle and recently came back to where I started, with incan.

 

[roymail]

Zenster, I had a similar experience when I got my M60L. As you probably know, the Malkoff drop-ins are WG bin's which are more of a warm white than the bright white of the WC's. There's no mistaking the difference.

I had a 6090 in my G2 before the M60L. Although the two have similar output, the tint difference is very noticeable. But, I've come to really like the natural tint of the WG bin in my M60L. However, if you're a "bright white" junkie, you may not like it as much.

But that's OK... everyone has a preference.

 

[generic808]

Yeah, like those ricer boy race cars on the road with those sickly looking 7000K+ blue HID headlights :green: No thank you. But then again, you have those old beater cars with headlights so fogged up that the light looks banana yellow :green::green: No thank you.

The M60's have great tint but for some odd reason, and I'm talking about the past 2 months, I'm slowly getting back to incans :shrug:

 

[Zenster]

Zenster, I had a similar experience when I got my M60L. As you probably know, the Malkoff drop-ins are WG bin's which are more of a warm white than the bright white of the WC's. There's no mistaking the difference.

Actually, I'm very aware of the Malkoff drop-ins and their color because I have three of them in three 6P's; one M60 and two M60L's.

And yes, I like them (a little) better than the stark white WC's of some of the Q5's, but that's only because I'm vehemently against any blue in any of my LED lights. I HATE blue! If I see any leaning toward blue in an LED, it's simply not bought because if there ever was a major deal breaker with me when it comes to buying lights, "blue" is it.

So just because I don't like incans anymore doesn't mean that I'll accept any 'ol LED. Blue sucks.

All I was trying to get at is that white is nice; nicer than incan yellow and MUCH nicer than LED blue.
If they could all be the warm white (still nowhere near yellow) of the Malkoff drop-ins, I'd be a happy camper.

 

[mudman cj]

I understand where the OP is coming from. As has been argued many times before, incan provides a more complete spectrum than LEDs, and results in not only better color rendition, but a less tangible effect in which the user may experience better object recognition and depth perception as well.

But with the advent of the high CRI LEDs, such as the exemplary Nichia 083 used in the Sundrop, there are now LEDs that not only provide a similar color rendition to incan, they actually emit a spectrum closer to sunlight. Some, such as myself, would even argue that this LED provides better color rendition than incan despite the lower CRI rating which is based on the incan spectrum.

Few people have had the pleasure of using such an LED, but I count myself lucky to be among them. I now use my Nichia 083 LED light for almost everything indoors, but it still can't compete outdoors simply because the emitter does not have custom reflectors or optics AFAIK that can focus it for long distance use. It is also not as bright as the current crop of offerings from LED manufacturers; it's more like a Lux III in efficiency. But the trade off is well worth it in my opinion for many tasks.

I think it won't be long before LEDs are able to provide a solar spectrum with efficiencies that surpass incans and with competitive throw as well. Just be patience friends.

 

[Crenshaw]

yes LEDS are horrible, you should get rid of all of them now...just put them in a big fedex box, and send them to me....

:nana:

Crenshaw