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The wife said "take it outside", so I did!

Seriously, if there is any interest here in outdoor Luxeon lighting, I'll write up my 'lessons learned' from installing 27 Luxeons outside in fixtures.

I had done some outdoor stuff in the past for local builders, but nothing like this before.

It's not like building flashlights!

Anyway, if enough interest, I'll add photos and details....Outdoor Luxeon Lighting

Part One - A little History:

A few years ago I purchased a couple sets of deck lights to provide some exterior lighting around my house. Once installed, the lights provided sufficient illumination around the exterior of the house and upper deck walkway to allow safe walking at night, and provided an increased level of security. The lights did prove to be somewhat maintenace intensive, as the bulbs would burn out after only about a year, and many times just would go out from poor connections in the bulb holder. Sometimes just simply smacking the light would jar things enough to make the light come back on. While somewhat bothersome, it wasn't that big a pain, and just the increased asthetic value of the home's appearance alone made it worth the troubles. The lights provided ample illumination near the house and on the upstairs deck without casting too much stray light as to interfere with using telescopes and other instruments out in the yard for the most part. It was a very good balance of illumination that met my needs. I was "satisfied" overall with the lights, and never really gave them much thought after installation.

However, a few years later, one warm summer night I was sitting outside in the screened in porch enjoying a cool drink, when I smelled the faint odor of burning wood. Not an uncommon occurance out in the rural country side where I live, but after looking around and not seeing any smoke comming from any of my neighbors properties, I decided to inspect the deck lights. To my suprise, I found that most of the 7 watt incandescent bulbs had melted through the back of the light housings and were beginning to scorch the wood behind the lights. I immeadiately shut off the lights, and as an added precaution, removed all the bulbs to prevent any further possible operation.

Gone was the outdoor safety lighting, and the asthetic value of the home's appearance all lit up at night.

I considered several options, amoung them was to replace the bulbs with smaller wattage incandescent bulbs, or leave the bulbs at the same wattage but install an alluminum plate behind each light to act as a heat sheild. A third option I thought about, and then chose over the other two options, was replacing the incandescent bulbs with white LEDs. I never cared much for the orange/yellow glow of the incandecent bulbs and really wanted to change over to the whiter color of LED light.

I constructed LED bulb assemblies for each of the lights consisting of three 5mm white LEDs in series and an in line rectifier diode to protect the LEDs from reverse voltage as the original power supply was 12VAC. These replacement bulbs worked, but barely met the minimum illumination level required, were severely overdriven and ran somewhat hot to the touch. They basically supplied just enough light to walk in the dark around the house and still see obsticals at night. However, they were not bright enough to give the house a good "illuminated" look when viewed from the street. Also, running from an AC power supply, the lights had a slight, but noticeable flicker. I really wasn't satisfied, but accepted their performance since there were few other options, and other life tasks needed my attention more.

After spending much of 2002 experimenting with Luxeons, and the release of the white lamertian Luxeon with it's improved whiteness and high dome lens providing for a more acceptable light output, I decided the time could be right to make the final improvement to the outdoor lights.

Part Two - The Outdoor Luxeon Project - 'several' lights get added

!Bright Light!
 
That is a silly question. Yes! Pictures please!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This obviously isn't about a flashlight mod, but I do believe there is a general interest among forum users in other applications for new lighting technology...such as the Luxeon/LED mods for your car's interior lighting. I say this because no one else has replied to your post.
 
I am also egerly awaiting part two /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i've done some experimenting just with light level outside for such lighting and a luxeon or 2 easily does justice to a regular outdoor light. In my case they were still connected to breadboards as I haven't started to actually build anything yet...
 
Even using compact fluorescents in 90% of my home lighting,my electricity bill is through the roof.Cost recovery time for reasonably priced led lights would be short indeed.I am definitely interested.
 
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LED's aren't more efficient than fluorescents, they just don't need replacement.

BTW, no offense to Lambda or anyone else, but I generally think of outdoor house lighting as something unnecessary, that bugs the heck out of me when I'm outside trying to stargaze. Why not just turn a light on when you need it?

http://www.darksky.org
 
For those who've lived in not so friendly neighborhoods, and I've certainly been there before, the difference between your house being targeted for burglary/vandalism and being deemed as too risky is an abundance of lights.

And at night, I'd like to be able to look at my lawn without having to resort to a motion sensor that may or may not detect correctly.

For me, it isn't a question of want, as it is a question of need when it comes to things like security. If you're using it for asthetic purposes (like lighting up a plant), then I can see the sentiment towards it being unnecessary. But when it comes to safety or just peace of mind, outdoor lighting isn't just a mere want...
 
I remember reading on another thread that more lights actually help burglars, since they can dress normally and be inconspicuous, and can hide in shadows. If it's dark outside, then the burglars have to carry flashlights, which attracts attention to them.

If you want to look at your lawn (if you mean from inside the house), can't you just flip a switch to turn on a light when you need it, and leave it off the rest of the time?

Yes I do understand the issue about bad neighborhoods and everyone should do what they feel they need to do there. In areas without serious security problems (the semi-rural places where I like to hike at night), it generally seems to me that there are way too many lights.
 
Having 27 super-duper R4L Luxeon Stars shining around the house is a clear invitation to those "thieves" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif that know how difficult it is to get them /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
 
pictures indeed! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twak.gif

paul, i think moonlight should provide ample amounts of light to navigate at night without using a flashlight, especially in the city.
i seem to recall several studies that indicated more light = less crime. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

i've got lights around my deck also...i'd be interested in seeing what you did kevin /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I have the inside and outside of my house peppered with 3 mm LED's; mostly clustered in threes since it's a 12 volt system. I find this level of light adequate and very pleasant; not to mention efficient. As to the light polution, these don't scratch the surface and since they are often enough that a regular 110 VAC bulb *isn't* turned on, these actually help the light polution problem. I have two motion detector lights that used to sport twin 50W halogens. Now they have 18 cluster LED bulbs that are certainly not as bright but effective enough in terms of alerting a would be lurker as well as aid to ingress and egress......

By all means, Lambda, please show us your work! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

- Don
 
In my house there is only one storage room that doesn't automatically light when walked into. When I want any movement to trigger the light, I've used ultrasonic switches or combination ultrasonic/passive infrared. When I want movement across a specific field to trigger the light, I've used passive infrared with a limited zone.

I wish someone would make small electronics for an ultrasonic, passive infrared, or combination sensor that would power an LED (1W or 5W). Various adjustable stalks containing either spot, flood, or lantern beams could be plugged in.

I would like either battery (2C) or 120VAC power sources. I would like a small red LED (like the Opalec) that signals diminished power. The passive infrared (on a stalk?) could cover up to 360x180 degrees (e.g. hallway) but be directed to or limited to with any range in-between. The ultrasonic (also on a stalk?) could be pointed at any particular direction 360x180. (I've had my best performance with units that require both ultrasonic and infrared to turn on, but only ultrasonic to stay on.)

A clock would be embedded so that between certain settable hours (e.g. late night), brightness would be limited to a set level (possibly zero) ... or just the opposite. Ambient light would be detected, so that the unit would not light if it was already adequate.

Once triggered the light would stay on for a settable amount of time. Subsequent detected movement during the "on" interval would reset the interval.

Units would be attractive, and could be attached to walls, ceilings, furniture, and possibly floors. Alternatively they could be embedded into walls and wired directly to house line voltage.

If I had such a thing, I would pepper the world--or at least my house--with them. Also great around campsites. Siren plug-in module included.

Oh, and to keep in context with this thread, they would be waterproof.
 
I have a couple of low voltage lights in my front yard but only 2 of them are still working. The rest have burned out bulbs. I did have the intention of making LED assemblies for them. I did try one where I soldered a LED and a resistor together and stuck it into the socket. The only problem is that the cheap red LED that I have was not bright enough. A white LED would work better. I think I will use maybe 4 to 6 white LEDs provided I can save up enough for them. High flux spider LEDs or Luxons will also work better.

Anyway, you can also use solar powered garden lights. I used to have one but it just used a regular flashlight bulb. I don't have it anymore as it crapped out many years ago. My neighbors do have some of the new solar lights and they use LEDs for the light source. I have taken these things apart before. They use High Flux spider LEDs which shine down onto a cone shaped reflector. The Lights are powered by 2 aa Ni-CD batteries and use a boost inverter to power the LEDs. A photocell turns the light on at dusk.

You can find some good lights here but I wonder if they have wall mount versions. Most of these just stake into the ground

www.intermatic.com
 
Ok, I'll try to get Part two posted. I tried last night, but my sh_tty ISP had problems again and the net went dead (again) and I lost what I had done. Looks like I'll have to do it off line and cut/paste.
 
I have a couple of small lantern like LED solar rechargable lights I was hoping would be bright enough to let me see the keyhole. They're not but I like the way they look and they're useful to me but a little brighter would be great.
Please post part two.
Also, will you sell kits or turnkey? Batt. or hard wire? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
If batt., solar?
 
I have been waiting for that Landscape Lighting link to be activated at your website. Thanks for bringing the topic here. I'm interested in modding my lights to Luxeons but don't know enough theory to get the circuits right. Please continue....
 
Hi all,

I hope to get part two posted this weekend; lot's of info to share. I think I'll move it to my web site and provide a link to it from here. That way I can better control the page layout with photos. We can use this thread to ask/answer questions.

Until then, here's a snipit:

"Sixteen lights, Sixteen Luxeons

The first outdoor fixtures to get converted were the sixteen existing overhead lights that were attempting to burn my house down. After discovering that the 7 watt incandescent lamps had melted their way through the housings and were scorching the wood behind, I originally had converted these to three 5mm LEDs each, but that just didn't give the light output I wanted. However, when modded with Luxeon 1 watt high domes, things improved remarkably.

After some initial testing, I determined that a single 1 watt Lambertian white Luxeon would produce ample light at only 320ma, and do so without generating anything near the temperatures the incandescent lamps did. My first thought was to just build a small regulator circuit to operate the Luxeons directly off the existing 12VAC power supply. But, after a little more thought, I realized how much easier (and cheaper) it would be to just change the power supply to accommodate the Luxeons. This way I could easily construct a simple Luxeon and heatsink assembly that would fit into each light housing.

First Lesson Learned - when using low voltage over long power cables, the voltage will be lower at the end of the cable. When powering multiple Luxeons from the same source, bear in mind that just 0.5V difference can translate into 500ma difference in Luxeon current. So, it's not just as simple as hooking up all the lights and applying power.........."
 
Just found this thread. This is a project that I am nearing completion withing the next week so here's my 2 pennies worth:
I have discovered just as Lambda has about the voltage drop across the powerline at the furthest end. I too, have built (actually swiped from and Older PC) a 5V DC 30 Amp powersupply. This arrangement is pretty inexpensive as these PC powersupplies are really inexpensive when bought new. They have more than enough power for my string of 10 Luxeons. Anyway, to cure the voltage problem, I simply purchased from DigiKey 10 LM317 voltage regulator chips, and wired them in the constant current mode as indicated on the datasheet. I used 3.3 ohm to set the maximum current to approx 350 ma and lo and behold, it worked like a dream. All of the luxeons seem to be at the same brightness level, and measuring the individual current draw of each unit, I measured between 344 - 352 ma. I know that the LM317 is not the most efficient method of current control, but I have 150 Watts of 5 volt power at my disposal from the PC powersupply, and since V in is 5V and the Luxeons are dropping anywhere from 3.3 V each, the IC only has to dissipate a little wasted power. If this were done on a 12V system, I would expect the 317 to run much warmer. Right now, they barely get warm, I barely notice it via touch. Even though the datasheet states that V in should be at least 3V greater than the working voltage at the output, this seems to not hold water in the CC setup as I have demonstrated in my application. Now all that's remaining to my project is to waterproof the entire setup. I have the metal landscape lights which have O rings on each, but I am using GE silicone to make semi perm seals on the unit as I won't have to change luxeons as often as I was changing bulbs, which was a monthly occurance lately.
In summary, the 317 seems to do the trick as thay have been running trouble free for the last week, and it was pretty much steady rain everyday. The only prob I have had was a buildup of moisture on the inside as the supplied O rings are VERY LOOSE fitting. They almost seem ornamental rather than functional, thus the need for the silicone.


Ed.
 
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