Peak Eiger Rebel AAA?

[AFAustin]

Included with the Baltic I recently received from Peak, there is a product sheet which lists the various Peak models. One is the "Eiger", which is described as a Rebel AAA light, 50 to 250 candlepower. Does anyone (eh hem....Curt ) have any information on this?

 

[Dances with Flashlight]

The Eiger is a mountain. I want to think there are brass mines there.

 

[RAGE CAGE]

Included with the Baltic I recently received from Peak, there is a product sheet which lists the various Peak models. One is the "Eiger", which is described as a Rebel AAA light, 50 to 250 candlepower. Does anyone (eh hem....Curt ) have any information on this?

I think it is the natural evolution of the matterhorn- same body perhaps?
I didn't get a data sheet with my last order but I know he mentioned something along those lines on the phone- maybe Ti option too- will have to wait and see.

 

[RyanA]

Oh man, Peak, rebel.:twothumbs I want a cyan!

 

[Curt R]

Eiger first test results: 14 May 2009

The Eiger will use the same bodies and the three LED head of the Matterhorn series of flashlights. The Eiger can use all three different battery sizes including the 10280 and 10180 Lithium-Ion rechargeable and the 2 x AAA Fugi battery compartment. It will also be available in all four standard metals including Ti.

This test sample uses the 0080 bin LED, The production units will use the 0100 bin LEDs. It uses a collimating lens assembly with a lexan window. The output pattern is about a 30 degree spread with a very even edge to edge distribution of light in that 30 degree hot spot. Our normal Matterhorn has about an 18 degree hot spot. And yes there is side spill.

We used a bench power supply for these test results. The first number is the current drive to the LED in mA. The second number is the measurement in Candela. The third number is the approximate Lumen output. The 0100 LED bin measurements should be slightly higher but this is a good starting point.

20-------29-------4
40-------60-------9
60-------90------14
80-------120-----19
100-----140-----24
125-----170-----30
150-----200-----36
175-----230-----42
200-----250-----48
250-----310-----60
300-----345-----70
350-----395-----80
400-----430-----90
450-----465-----100
500-----490-----109
550-----520-----117
600-----550-----126
650-----580-----134
700-----590-----141
750-----615-----148

Next I will set up run times vs. output with the various power levels. Hope to get some done by Monday or so. Any requested power output levels that you would like to see first? Price should probably be the same as the three LED Matt. The other great thing about the Eiger is the wide range of color Rebels that can be used in it.

Curt

 

[Cuso]

It will also be available in all four standard metals including Ti.



Next I will set up run times vs. output with the various power levels. Hope to get some done by Monday or so. Any requested power output levels that you would like to see first? Price should probably be the same as the three LED Matt. The other great thing about the Eiger is the wide range of color Rebels that can be used in it.

Curt

So the brass line is not dead after all??? Sweeet. Push that sucker has hard and you can , I would love to see the Ultra Power first. :twothumbs

 

[22hornet]

Great!
Just when I thought I had all the peaks I would ever need...:laughing:
One in white and another with a colored led would seem very great.

A question that may seem stupid but one that keeps bugging me nevertheless:
A surefire L2 has 100 true lumens and has a very useful and very beautiful wall of light.
Considering the fact that one can have the Eiger in 100 lumens (on 2AAA?) and with a 30 degree beam: would the beam be comparable to my L2???

I use my L2 regularly because of it's unbeaten beam characteristics even though it's a pita when it comes to batteries. These Surefire Luxeon V lights (L2 and old L4) are unbeaten for checking out dark rooms. Should the Eiger (clearly) beat the L2, I would be - well - more than happy.

Thanks for your insight (and please post some picture)
Kind regards,
Joris

 

[AFAustin]

Curt,

Very exciting news, indeed! Looking forward to your runtime/output numbers.

Re: "Our normal Matterhorn has about an 18 degree hot spot": Is this referring to the 3 LED or 1 LED Matties?

Cheers,

Andrew

 

[saabgoblin]

I have said it before and I'll say it again, "this place is gonna be the death of me".

 

[Curt R]

AF:

The 1 LED Matt hot spot at 9 feet is about 24 inches. The 3 LED Matt is about 26 inches. The Eiger is about 44 inches at 9 feet and about 10 feet edge to edge. However Eiger blend to side spill is hard to define whereas the Matt hot spots are easy to see.

Joris:

When you get your Eiger take a trip up county to the Eiger and take a picture of the Eiger next to the Eiger. Maybe we can get authorization to make a CPF special Eiger and call it the Eiger Sanction? I think I will send one to Clint. Eastwood that is.

Curt

 

[MWClint]

AF:
Maybe we can get authorization to make a CPF special Eiger and call it the Eiger Sanction? I think I will send one to Clint. Eastwood that is.

Curt

Climb this??!??

You gotta ask yourself one question, "Do i feel lucky?"

:laughing:

 

[MKLight]

Eiger first test results: 14 May 2009

The Eiger will use the same bodies and the three LED head of the Matterhorn series of flashlights. The Eiger can use all three different battery sizes including the 10280 and 10180 Lithium-Ion rechargeable and the 2 x AAA Fugi battery compartment. It will also be available in all four standard metals including Ti.

This test sample uses the 0080 bin LED, The production units will use the 0100 bin LEDs. It uses a collimating lens assembly with a lexan window. The output pattern is about a 30 degree spread with a very even edge to edge distribution of light in that 30 degree hot spot. Our normal Matterhorn has about an 18 degree hot spot. And yes there is side spill.

We used a bench power supply for these test results. The first number is the current drive to the LED in mA. The second number is the measurement in Candela. The third number is the approximate Lumen output. The 0100 LED bin measurements should be slightly higher but this is a good starting point.

20-------29-------4
40-------60-------9
60-------90------14
80-------120-----19
100-----140-----24
125-----170-----30
150-----200-----36
175-----230-----42
200-----250-----48
250-----310-----60
300-----345-----70
350-----395-----80
400-----430-----90
450-----465-----100
500-----490-----109
550-----520-----117
600-----550-----126
650-----580-----134
700-----590-----141
750-----615-----148

Next I will set up run times vs. output with the various power levels. Hope to get some done by Monday or so. Any requested power output levels that you would like to see first? Price should probably be the same as the three LED Matt. The other great thing about the Eiger is the wide range of color Rebels that can be used in it.

Curt

Does this mean it will be offered in multiple modes, like the First Responder and Night Patrol? If so, how many modes and how will they be selected-through twisting, clicking, etc?

 

[RAGE CAGE]

Climb this??!??

You gotta ask yourself one question, "Do i feel lucky?"

:laughing:

Just don't climb the crumbly north face in the summer!

 

[Blindasabat]

So those are emitter lumens based on 80L at 350mA... but with Rebel 0100's installed, the Out The Front (OTF) lumens should be just about those listed - maybe drop a couple of %. 140-145L from a AAA Peak, nice.

...
This test sample uses the 0080 bin LED, The production units will use the 0100 bin LEDs.

22hornet - based on the candela versus lumen measurements (relatively low candela (spot brightness) versus overall output), this will be a very floody, room filling light.

MKLight - I doubt it is multi-level, but Curt tell me if I'm wrong, because it would be kick-a** if I was. Peak typically offers your choice of one set output level from the factory. Choose the level you see on that chart that you like. Of course output may change due to the battery/ies you put in it. Lower on 1AAA, higher/highest on a 3.7V Li-Ion 10440 cell.

 

[RAGE CAGE]

Eiger first test results: 14 May 2009

The Eiger will use the same bodies and the three LED head of the Matterhorn series of flashlights. The Eiger can use all three different battery sizes including the 10280 and 10180 Lithium-Ion rechargeable and the 2 x AAA Fugi battery compartment. It will also be available in all four standard metals including Ti.

This test sample uses the 0080 bin LED, The production units will use the 0100 bin LEDs. It uses a collimating lens assembly with a lexan window. The output pattern is about a 30 degree spread with a very even edge to edge distribution of light in that 30 degree hot spot. Our normal Matterhorn has about an 18 degree hot spot. And yes there is side spill.

We used a bench power supply for these test results. The first number is the current drive to the LED in mA. The second number is the measurement in Candela. The third number is the approximate Lumen output. The 0100 LED bin measurements should be slightly higher but this is a good starting point.

20-------29-------4
40-------60-------9
60-------90------14
80-------120-----19
100-----140-----24
125-----170-----30
150-----200-----36
175-----230-----42
200-----250-----48
250-----310-----60
300-----345-----70
350-----395-----80
400-----430-----90
450-----465-----100
500-----490-----109
550-----520-----117
600-----550-----126
650-----580-----134
700-----590-----141
750-----615-----148

Next I will set up run times vs. output with the various power levels. Hope to get some done by Monday or so. Any requested power output levels that you would like to see first? Price should probably be the same as the three LED Matt. The other great thing about the Eiger is the wide range of color Rebels that can be used in it.

Curt

450, 650, 750 mA run times? White and Red?

 

[gjg]

Although I've given Peaks as gifts in the past, there's been nothing I've HAD to have. The Eiger I do!! Rebel emitter, takes 10440's, Matterhorn size, now the tough decision - Brass or Ti... Curt, when is this baby available??
Thanks,
Greg

 

[MKLight]

Although I've given Peaks as gifts in the past, there's been nothing I've HAD to have. The Eiger I do!! Rebel emitter, takes 10440's, Matterhorn size, now the tough decision - Brass or Ti... Curt, when is this baby available??
Thanks,
Greg

And prices...

 

[Curt R]

This is an Eiger update:

Before we get into the run times vs. output of the Eiger, I would like to review a little bit about the AAA battery. The AAA Alkaline battery was not designed for high current draws. The original requirement was for a constant output of 30 mAh. If we look at the larger AA size that was designed for a constant current draw of 100 mAh, (over three times as much), we can see what a disadvantage the AAA has with high outputs. At 30 mA draw, the AA battery capacity is 2800 mAh or 100%. At 100 mAh draw the capacity is now 2500 mAh or 89%. At 250 mAh draw the capacity is 1800mAh or 64%. At 500 mA draw the capacity is 1300 mAh or 46%. At 1000 mAh draw the capacity is 900 mAh or 32%. The AAA battery results are even worse in percent capacity as current draw increases, and it starts out at only 1200 mAh at a 30 mA constant current draw. Lithium batteries are capacity rated at a 100 mAh constant current draw.

The reason for reduced battery capacity to higher current draws with Alkaline batteries is internal electrical resistance buildup of both electronic and ionic conditions. To pack as much capacity as is possible into a limited space, the current collector within the Anode mixture of an Alkaline battery is a thin wire. This combined with other mechanical parts constitutes the electronic resistance buildup. High current outputs in the AAA would be much better with a larger surface area of the current collector. A cork screw spiral instead of a straight wire would be a good compromise. The Ionic resistance is the chemical reaction and heat build up in reference to the amount of current draw per time factor.

Now some numbers:

This first group is the starting outputs using 5 different battery combinations. The Alkaline batteries are Cosco house branded Kirkland AAA made in the USA. The NiMH units are 850 mAh capacity Energizer. The 10280 Lithium-Ion is from AW. The LED is the Rebel 0080 bin using the Eiger production lens and window assembly. The production LED will be the 0100 bin units, so the numbers shown here should be absolute worst case minimums. I am listing eight different power levels for each battery combination. I did not include the AAA Lithium battery for this list as the voltage difference to an Alkaline is minimal.

The first column is the battery combination followed by the output in measured foot-candles, (Candela), and the third listing is the approximate Lumen output. The lens/window ratio in this application is 5 fc to 1 Lumen. That is not very good as compared to a 20 mm reflector, (32 to 1), but considering the overall size of the assembly and that the hot spot is wider than the 5 mm LEDs that we use in the Matterhorn and with more usable side spill, I think it will be acceptable. Because of the wide hot spot and side spill the Lumen output is higher than the same Candela output from the typical 5 mm LED used in other small single AAA powered flashlights. In numbers 5 thru 8 Alkaline batteries are marginal. Use Lithium or NiMH rechargeable for better results. In the list below 'fc' refers to foot-candles and 'L' is Lumens.

#1--------------------------------------------#2 XLR?
1xAlk…….30.2 fc…...…6 L-------------------45.1 fc….….9 L
2xAlk…….34.7 fc…...…7 L-------------------52.1 fc…10.5 L
1xNiMH….30.0 fc….... 6 L------------------ 44.4 fc….…..9 L
2xNiMH….32.3 fc…...…6 L-------------------48.4 fc…..9.5 L
10280…...62.9 fc...12.5 L-------------------92.5 fc..18.5 L

#3--------------------------------------------#4 HP?
1xAlk….…58.5 fc…11.5 L--------------------65.9 fc…..…13 L
2xAlk….…68.7 fc…...14 L--------------------78.3 fc….15.5 L
1xNiMH.…55.9 fc…...11 L--------------------63.5 fc….12.5 L
2xNiMH….64.0 fc….…13 L--------------------73.6 fc….…15 L
10280….119.3 fc….…24 L-------------------138.3 fc…27.5 L

#5--------------------------------------------#6 UP?
1xAlk…....94.2 fc……19 L--------------------131.2 fc…...26 L
2xAlk…...120.4 fc…..24 L--------------------164.9 fc…...33 L
1xNiMH…..91.8 fc…18.5 L-------------------128.3 fc...25.5 L
2xNiMH…112.3 fc…24.5 L-------------------152.4 fc...30.5 L
10280…..193.0 fc…38.5 L-------------------255.0 fc…….51 L

#7---------------------------------------------#8 SP
1xAlk…….155.1 fc……31 L--------------------212 fc….....42 L
2xAlk…….202.0 fc..40.5 L--------------------392 fc…..78.5 L
1xNiMH….155.2 fc……31 L--------------------197 fc…..39.5 L
2xNiMH….179.8 fc……36 L--------------------359 fc…..71.8 L
10280……345.0 fc……69 L---------------------520 fc…..104 L


The battery run times are done using an Extech Light Meter with their Data Acquisition program monitored by a HP Pavilion computer, and saved in Microsoft Excel. I needed a reference comparison to other single Alkaline powered AAA battery lights. I chose the other quality American made lights that use the Nichia 5 mm LEDs. One uses the latest GS LED and the other one the previous lower output DS unit. The third one is the Peak Snow white single 5 mm ultra power. For the comparison I used the #4 Eiger power level from the list above. That is the closest output higher than the three reference lights. The high power Nichia GS light had approximately two hours on it according to the person that I borrowed it from. All batteries for this test were from Cosco and were their Kirkland house brand made in the USA. I matched the battery voltages for all four batteries at 1.608 volts. I typically stop testing at 5 Candela as anything lower is really not that usable. All lights in the test use a single AAA Alkaline battery. In the table below 'fc' refers to foot-candles or Candela.

Run Time…..…Peak 1…...Brand "A".....Eiger…..…Brand "A"........Eiger
………….....…..….LED ……..…Nichia..….....#4……...……GS................#2
…………....…..….Ultra……...…DS....…..…Rebel…..…Premium...........Rebel
Start………...…..40 fc…..…..43 fc….....…66.5 fc…...…60.3 fc..........44.2 fc
30 Minutes..….33………......35……......…64.3……....…54.0..............43.9
1 Hour……..…..29……....…..32……......…63.8…….......51.4.............43.7
2 Hours…….....25……....…..28……......…63.4……....…46.6..............43.5
3 Hours……..….23……...…...25.….....…..63.0…....……43.3..............43.2
4 Hours……..….22 ……...…..23……......…48.2…....……38.9...............42.8
5 Hours……..….20……...…...22……......…40.6……....…34.9..............42.6
6 Hours……..….19……....……21…........…33.3……....…31.7..............34.2
7 Hours…..…….18………....…19……........28.2……....…25.2..............31.1
8 Hours…..…….17………....…13...….....…24.5……....….1.2...............28.0
9 Hours…..…….16……...……0.7…......…..18.6……...…note B.............25.3
10 Hours…......15.……………...…...........14.1...............................22.5
12 Hours…......13………………......….......11.1...............................15.4
14 Hours…......10………………..........……..5.6................................11.2
16 Hours…...……8……………......…..….…note A...............................7.8
18 Hours…...……6...................................................................5.4--note C

Note A: At 3 hours 15 minutes the output was 62.9 fc. At 3 hours 20 minutes the output was 51.4 fc. At 15 hours the output was 4.8 fc. Test stopped.
Note B: At 7 Hours 28 minutes the output was 15.6 fc. At 7 hours 33 minutes the output was 3.9 fc.
Note C: At 5 Hours 35 minutes the output was 42.6 fc. At 5 hours 40 minutes the output was 35.2 fc. At 19 hours the output was 4.7fc and at 23 hours the output was 3.0 fc.

The 40 Candela 5 mm LEDs are running about 7 Lumens and the 60 Candela 5 mm LED about 9 Lumens. Because of the larger hot spot of the Eiger the 66 Candela output is closer to 13 Lumens. The 60 and 66 Candela tested flashlights will light up an object at the same distance with the same apparent brightness. In a closed room the higher 13 Lumen output will be noticeable.

More testing to come.

Curt

 

[Curt R]

We will use the same price structure for the Eiger in all power levels as the 3 LED Matterhorn. The Eiger head is the same one used by the Matterhorn as are all of the battery compartments. We will also be able to do the same thing with the three LED Shasta head. That means all of the Shasta and Baltic Sea battery compartments will also be available using the Rebel LED. That also includes the Shasta price structure.

All I need to do now is to make some phone calls as to parts delivery.

Curt

 

[AFAustin]

Curt,

Thanks for posting this. I'm trying to get an idea of the differences between the Eiger Rebel beam and the Baltic Seoul beam. Any chance of some beamshots of the two?

In any event, I'm looking forward to reading a lot more about the Eiger.

Cheers,

Andrew