Portable Display light, LM3914 Question

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I am planning to integrate a LM3914 battery monitor into the wiring box for a buckpuck LED driver for a portable lighting device that will run off my car or any available lead acid battery on hand, but I am unsure of the voltage requirements on the indicator LEDs, whats the minimum limit? 12V? 5mm LEDs have 1.7V variants all the way up to 12V. the voltage required for indicator leds are NOT specified in any of LM3914's datasheets that I am aware of. so if anyone has used it in the past can I ask what LED did you use?

the battery monitor will be turned on or off using a toggle and left in dot mode to tell me when I'll need to charge my battery or let the engine run.
 
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Doesn't Mouser sell the Seouls?

Only concern I would have is 1/16 think heatsink. This *should* be ok at 350mA. Anything higher and the emitters are going to take a beating because heat won't be able to move away fast enough.
 
Doesn't Mouser sell the Seouls?

Only concern I would have is 1/16 think heatsink. This *should* be ok at 350mA. Anything higher and the emitters are going to take a beating because heat won't be able to move away fast enough.

the spacing is consistent with my earlier project mounting a nearly 6' bar in my kitchen with 8 CREEs at 350ma, its warm to the touch but not "hot" despite being on for several months now. :)

I haven't a clue what mouser has...but I'll look into it :)
 
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I am planning to integrate a LM3914 battery monitor into the wiring box for the boostpuck, but I am unsure of the voltage requirements on the indicator LEDs, whats the minimum limit? 12V? 5mm LEDs have 1.7V variants all the way up to 12V. the voltage required for indicator leds are NOT specified in any of LM3914's datasheets that I am aware of. so if anyone has used it in the past can I ask what LED did you use?

the battery monitor will be turned on or off using a toggle and left in dot mode to tell me when I'll need to charge my battery or let the engine run.

The LM3914 spec shows absolute maximum voltage on the LED
drivers as 25v, but I wouldn't push it that high.

Current regulation spec applies to Vled between 2v and 17v so
what you should see in your car (up to 14v or a bit higher in
normal running conditions) should be OK.

As for minimum, allow 1.5v for saturation at 20mA, so depends
on the LED(s) you use. AT 5v LED supply you might just get away
with a white LED, certainly any other will be OK.

Brings back distant memories of using this part back in the
early 1980's...

Dave
 
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the 5mm LEDs I have are around 1.7V typ/2.6V max
I have a 5K trim attached to the LED brightness pin on the design...but I'm not sure if I was going to need it. Naturally I like to have everything adjustable during prototype...then remove the trim, read the value, and then slap the closest resistor in its place:whistle:

Instead of the conventional row of LEDs due to space restrictions I'll be using only 3 LEDs and tying pin 10,11, 12 on one LED, pin 13, 14, 15 om one LED, and pin 16, 17, 18 on the third LED. Pin 9 will be left open for dot mode

LED brightness will be adjusted using Trimpot VR2 [Top left]
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The one below it will be the trim for the upper threshold, the one below that will be the lower threshold.
The trim beside the LED brightness will be the "dimmer" for the Boostpuck seated on the right end.
The two blocks on bottom middle are two SPST toggles, and the two blocks on the far right are breakout terminal blocks. I'm hoping to use this driver/monitor for several different types of batteries, ranging from NiMH to Li-ion, to PbSO4...so I have a bunch of trimpots that I can mamipulate to fit my needs.

theres alot of crap that I don't need on paper...like those headers on top left and that C3 cap near it, neither will I need the LED D1 for power indicator or diode D5 [1N4007] for reverse polarity protection, C1 will most likely be unnecessary too...its just everything that I want to try out stuffed in the same bag

All this has been designed to fit in a radioshack 4" x 2" x 1" enclosure, hence the odd looking boundary line
 
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I figured out that the entire LM3914 side draws about 10ma, so I tossed the secondary switch out and went with this

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The 4" x 2" x 1" Enclosure from radioshack is near perfect in size
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I still need to drill the hole for the 5K side adjusting trim and wire up the switch. The meter has been calibrated so that anything above 13.8V is green, below 10.5V is red, everything in the middle is yellow. The buckdrive has not been soldered into place yet, I'm weighing my applications to see if boostpuck is what I need.
 
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Nice idea, and layout of the components.

I may not be seeing something, but... if I understand correctly, you have the LM3914 connected so that it will disable the C-C Driver when the battery drops to 10.5Volts. Correct?

A 10.50 Volts - this is considered 100% 'dead'.

If I understand correctly - you will drastically shorten the life of a SLA - or Lead-Acid battery letting it go this low. (I did it once or twice - but just in testing the battery.)

It might be better to set the LM3914 to LVD-cutoff at around 12.50 - which is 50% dead.

Or - if you need more time on the battery - 11.90Volts is 90% dead.

Keep us posted on your project.

Regards,

James
 
EDIT: it turns out hauling my mockup of a 4x8 board alone is a huge PITA that I opted for something smaller, like a 3' x 5' corkboard on a canvas easel...plus I have a buckpuck in my drawer which makes the plan seem much more appealing

the LED adjustment pot unfortunately is a 25 turn 5K that sets really fine voltage increments...according to my multimeter each rotation increases or decreases the voltage by 0.003! [no wonder several turns down the road and neither of the LEDs respond tell me they are brighter or dimmer :ohgeez:] Eventually I set it so the green LED receives 2V flat, the yellow and red are now seeing 1.7 and 1.8V respectively. Green LEDs have much higher of a Vf than the other two so it looks starved of power when lit, yellow and red are quite bright even though I bought "standard power" LEDs. I haven't bothered to disconnect the LEDs and see how much current flows through them but I'm quite sure they won't heat up for the life of my fixture:thumbsup:
I may not be seeing something, but... if I understand correctly, you have the LM3914 connected so that it will disable the C-C Driver when the battery drops to 10.5Volts. Correct?

A 10.50 Volts - this is considered 100% 'dead'.
I built it slightly different than the drawing initially laid out, the LM3914 is independent of the CC driver's function, in fact I tested the driver without the buckpuck soldered in place:D Its an indicator of its own, completely independent of the driver, drawing only 10ma it will be essentially an OCV meter on a 18AH battery [my jumpstarter, SLA] and even more so on my 40AH car battery [not sure if its SLI or Deep cycle]

EDIT: I just realized with the buckpuck the input output differential is 2V, which means if I'm pushing a 3xLED load of about 9.9V it should cut itself off at 11.9V...that was a totally unrealized combination of redundancy. :laughing: It will still be of value as I am going to use header sockets to mount the buckpuck so when the time comes in which a boostbuck is necessary I can swap it out easily
EDIT: I decided to use just 2 LEDs and hard wire the buckpuck. If the time comes to use a boost puck I'll build a identical one

Due to the limitation of my power supply I cannot make fine calibrations, I will be borrowing a friends power supply to update the LM3914 settings to a more realistic 12.6V+ green, 12.0V red, setup. I'm pretty sure 11V may damage the battery, 10 would really be unacceptable.

It might be better to set the LM3914 to LVD-cutoff at around 12.50 - which is 50% dead.
+1, I hope to set it somewhere near there too, just in case where I am I may have to wait a bit before recharging can take place. The general rule of thumb is never let the SLA drop below 60% capacity. My current plan for the buckpuck is to drive three XREs dimmed to a certain level [<350ma], at 12V assume 90% efficiency would mean it'll draw 320ma from the battery at 350ma output. It should take awhile for a charged SLA to drop below 12.5V [point where the red led goes out].

Since the LED driver part has alot of loose parts waiting revisions, I decided to make an identical one, calibrate that, then mirror things over using my digital multimeter by measuring resistance across the trimpots then aligning them to the matching trimpot in this driver. I had an extra 3x2x1 radioshack enclosure I had kicking around and figured those parts I bought for spares oughta be put into good use.:whistle: The original design planned for 3mm LEDs, apparently my queue list is still on the refrigerator so out goes that plan :ohgeez:
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the 13.8-15V, 12V, and 10V are the only output modes I get on my power supply, so for starters I went with it. I asked around for some advice on battery levels and I got two different answers: 12.7V for 100% and 11.7V for 0%, 12.6V for 100% and 12V for 0%. I'm pretty certain 12.6V+ for upper and 12V for lower should encompass most things. The switch was left out to ensure that the red light be seen when the battery gets low, but chances are I'll shut things down if it drops to red:huh:
 
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My quad pod came in, I sourced a framed cork board with 18" x 24" of usable cork area
here are the two side by side
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The four legged easel is quite big in my room
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Setup with the board clamped in place
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Three main components that goes on the board, velcro on back and front. From left: Light engine, Power management, Extension cord and jumpstarter [below the table]
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Light engine with glare shield, 2x CREE XRE NW
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Shows green and red very well, my campus map set on a lower space on the cork board, it looks wonderful by eye, but the camera got overloaded pretty bad. Its dimmable via screwdriver, but from the looks of it I might not need to go that route
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With flash, notice that both shots were set on the same daylight balance how much bluer blue is under LED and as well as orange:thinking:
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the red indicator will light when the jumpstarter reaches 60% capacity...which at max setting is about 32 hours away...meaning for a typical night excursion lasting only 5 hours, assuming no dimming is used the battery will have 94% remaining capacity when I pack up:eek:
8 eneloops in series will last for 7 hours until depletion =P
 
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