ZENGHOST
Enlightened
Chop--I'm in for two reflectors with O rings. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Reflectored VIP
- Thread starter Chop
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In for two with ringies, too !!
Finally I can get rid off the one thing that disturbes me with the VIP ... the Fraen /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif
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great project, many thanx!
bernhard
Finally I can get rid off the one thing that disturbes me with the VIP ... the Fraen /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif
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great project, many thanx!
bernhard
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Justintoxicated
Flashlight Enthusiast
Hey Chop I may stillw ant one of these, thing is, I may be ordering 6 of those reflectors if i can et a Pentalux HS made...
I also may have no need for this reflector, pending how the modified Mag will work on the VIP..I guess It is always good to get one of both. While I don't want to miss out I don't have lots of money to throw around since I loose my Job next week. Is there anyway I can get on the List Pending?
I also may have no need for this reflector, pending how the modified Mag will work on the VIP..I guess It is always good to get one of both. While I don't want to miss out I don't have lots of money to throw around since I loose my Job next week. Is there anyway I can get on the List Pending?
Justintoxicated
Flashlight Enthusiast
Chop, I usualy drill the hole out then sand the bottem untill the luxeon pokes through to the plastic base (of the luxeon)
Justintoxicated,
That's what I do, except that I turn it down in a lathe. When you get the reflector trimmed to the point where it will focus, it's shorter than the S017XA reflector, which tells me that it's too short. I would imagine that you could use an o-ring spacer, but I don't know how that will affect the beam because you also have to remove the rim to get it to fit into the head. Seems like an awful lot of trouble for an iffy beam for a light that has other options. Of course, I'm gonna try anyway. If I do get it to work, I doubt that I'll be mass producing any of these. Unless I find and easier way to do it.
That's what I do, except that I turn it down in a lathe. When you get the reflector trimmed to the point where it will focus, it's shorter than the S017XA reflector, which tells me that it's too short. I would imagine that you could use an o-ring spacer, but I don't know how that will affect the beam because you also have to remove the rim to get it to fit into the head. Seems like an awful lot of trouble for an iffy beam for a light that has other options. Of course, I'm gonna try anyway. If I do get it to work, I doubt that I'll be mass producing any of these. Unless I find and easier way to do it.
Justintoxicated
Flashlight Enthusiast
Chop, I hear that, It's just that I have a whole box full of them already, and no S017Xas lol..
I know they work well In my Mini Mags (just long enough) with head screwed down all the way, but it is not quite long enough to turn the flashlight off like an optic...
I wish I had a lathe, there seems to be so many uses for them!
I know they work well In my Mini Mags (just long enough) with head screwed down all the way, but it is not quite long enough to turn the flashlight off like an optic...
I wish I had a lathe, there seems to be so many uses for them!
Justintoxicated,
there seem to be a couple of versions of the MM reflector. Some of the ones that I have are too short for even the MM with a sandwich in it. The MM reflectors are killer. I've built a couple of lights using them and accommodating them was easy in a custom light.
The hotspot with the MM reflector is kind of skinny though. I still find myself using my modded KL4 and S017XA equipped lights most often. They have a broader hotspot which is great for most situations.
there seem to be a couple of versions of the MM reflector. Some of the ones that I have are too short for even the MM with a sandwich in it. The MM reflectors are killer. I've built a couple of lights using them and accommodating them was easy in a custom light.
The hotspot with the MM reflector is kind of skinny though. I still find myself using my modded KL4 and S017XA equipped lights most often. They have a broader hotspot which is great for most situations.
Justintoxicated
Flashlight Enthusiast
I know what you mean, but so far I love it over the Fraen, I have not been lucky to play with the "S" reflector.
I'm hoping to get some Optics from carclo also, namely the 6 degree and maybe a 15 degree to try out with this light also /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif But DZ will probably beat me to it heh...Although I have a feeling he might stick an unobtainable NX01 in here lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm hoping to get some Optics from carclo also, namely the 6 degree and maybe a 15 degree to try out with this light also /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif But DZ will probably beat me to it heh...Although I have a feeling he might stick an unobtainable NX01 in here lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tweek
Enlightened
Ok, I recieved the S017XA reflectors I ordered today, just couldn't wait to see what the results looked like! So, without further ado, a few beamshots for you:
First up: Side by side shot. This is 4' away from the ceiling.
Next, we move up to 2' from the ceiling, to get some spill comparisons. The Fraen:
And the S017X reflector:
Impressions:
This reflector is small! Upon first opening the package, I thought it was the wrong one. But a closer look proved me wrong. With the skirt intact, it's about 4mm longer than a Fraen. However, it's a lot skinnier. Without the lens in place, it will slip right through the front of the stock VIP head!
Modification: In a word, easy. Took longer to set up the dremel than to do the mod. All I did to mine was cut a relief notch in the skirt to fit the screw/wire. I believe that these reflectors are set up so that the lux fits perfectly in the gap between the outer ledge and the inner hole's ledge that the lux dome fits into? I don't think I want to sacrifice one of my two just to find out, at least not at this point in time.
Beams: I'll have to compare it more tonight, when it gets dark. I like it, but I need better testing grounds... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The spot is definately smaller than the Fraen, and there's a lot more spill light, too. It does seem to me that the spot's a little less intense than the Fraen, likely due to the nice increase in spill. Anyway, more playing/testing is in order for me... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Chris
First up: Side by side shot. This is 4' away from the ceiling.
Next, we move up to 2' from the ceiling, to get some spill comparisons. The Fraen:
And the S017X reflector:
Impressions:
This reflector is small! Upon first opening the package, I thought it was the wrong one. But a closer look proved me wrong. With the skirt intact, it's about 4mm longer than a Fraen. However, it's a lot skinnier. Without the lens in place, it will slip right through the front of the stock VIP head!
Modification: In a word, easy. Took longer to set up the dremel than to do the mod. All I did to mine was cut a relief notch in the skirt to fit the screw/wire. I believe that these reflectors are set up so that the lux fits perfectly in the gap between the outer ledge and the inner hole's ledge that the lux dome fits into? I don't think I want to sacrifice one of my two just to find out, at least not at this point in time.
Beams: I'll have to compare it more tonight, when it gets dark. I like it, but I need better testing grounds... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The spot is definately smaller than the Fraen, and there's a lot more spill light, too. It does seem to me that the spot's a little less intense than the Fraen, likely due to the nice increase in spill. Anyway, more playing/testing is in order for me... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Chris
ErickThakrar
Enlightened
That looks niiiice! I like that reflector alot!
Bullzeyebill
Flashaholic
Did you do a lux comparison between the Fraen and the XO17SA in the VIP?
Bill
Bill
"Did you do a lux comparison between the Fraen and the SO17XA in the VIP? Bill"
According to Otokoyama it produces around 1500 lux compared to 1000-1200 for the Fraen. As Chop said, it's just a different kind of beam and the SO17XA offers you another option. Do not think of this as an ultimate throwing type of collimation alternative, the BBH and BH will take care of that. Instead, it diverts more of the light around the outside of the beam pattern to create the more traditional reflector "spill" we all grew up with.
I am not panning this reflector, and in fact I need three additional modified units to match up with the number of VIPs I intend to keep when all is said and done. They just give me more irons in the fire, weapons in the arsenal, etc.
The one really positive thing I Will say is that it makes getting a centered beam Much more easily attainable...it is Hell with the Fraen, despite my using a centering jig for epoxying the Luxeon3 dead center and a VIP head cavity machined to hold the Fraen rather snugly for little or no side-to-side play...
According to Otokoyama it produces around 1500 lux compared to 1000-1200 for the Fraen. As Chop said, it's just a different kind of beam and the SO17XA offers you another option. Do not think of this as an ultimate throwing type of collimation alternative, the BBH and BH will take care of that. Instead, it diverts more of the light around the outside of the beam pattern to create the more traditional reflector "spill" we all grew up with.
I am not panning this reflector, and in fact I need three additional modified units to match up with the number of VIPs I intend to keep when all is said and done. They just give me more irons in the fire, weapons in the arsenal, etc.
The one really positive thing I Will say is that it makes getting a centered beam Much more easily attainable...it is Hell with the Fraen, despite my using a centering jig for epoxying the Luxeon3 dead center and a VIP head cavity machined to hold the Fraen rather snugly for little or no side-to-side play...
Aten_Imago
Banned
Humn- based on our Beam Matrix, the S017XA throws a #6 type beam- whereas the Fraen throws a #12 pattern. Great! One is highly "Context Inclusive" the other highly "Context Exclusive". Thanks!
BTW- Strictly speaking though both optics and reflectors 'focus' the spectral source into a beam only the optics 'collimate' (arrange the rays in straight parallel lines) the reflectors actually create intersecting (criss-crossing) rays that happen to meet at a central point ( the focus ) and a few of which do not (corona or spill). That criss-crossing is what helps smooth anomalies and point source image out! Theoretically- the optic- properly formulated, should always be able to focus the most intense beam. A killer head would be an optic projecting a beam from a reflector -but that would be too long an arrangement and besides, who needs a slide projector in one's pocket? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crackup.gif
http://www.imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Bmrm.htm
BTW- Strictly speaking though both optics and reflectors 'focus' the spectral source into a beam only the optics 'collimate' (arrange the rays in straight parallel lines) the reflectors actually create intersecting (criss-crossing) rays that happen to meet at a central point ( the focus ) and a few of which do not (corona or spill). That criss-crossing is what helps smooth anomalies and point source image out! Theoretically- the optic- properly formulated, should always be able to focus the most intense beam. A killer head would be an optic projecting a beam from a reflector -but that would be too long an arrangement and besides, who needs a slide projector in one's pocket? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crackup.gif
http://www.imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Bmrm.htm
