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deuscoup

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I joined several years ago, took some good advice and was happy with my purchase for several years. Now, wanting better quality in both my components and light I'm back. I have a generic Lenmar Timer based charger and some 5 year old NiMH cells in AAA, AA and D, but nothing of the quality that vests my interests to that technology. I initially thought I'd slap some better NiMH batteries in whatever I buy using my timer charger and call it a day; after a little reading I realize it's not that simple considering the needs of today's hard driven lights.

If you were to start over, what base technology would you use for portable power? Feel free to list charger and battery combo you'd use (that you'd actually buy).

NiMH (LSD) only Charger
Lithium Ion only Charger
Hybrid NiMH, Lith Ion Smart Charger (I swear I saw one while researching, but I can't find it now). **edited to add JetBeam i4 was the charger and it's having some technical difficulties.
Hobby Charger/Power Supply
 
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As a charger I use my processor controlled 10 slot charger. -> Charge Manager 2020 I can see each time I charge a cell how healthy it is. I never go back to any charger without an lcd... :)


As batterys I use only Ni-MH LSD cells:

AAA: Eneloop 800 mAh
AA: black Eneloop XX 2500 mAh
C: Ansmann maxE 4500mAH
 
It's personal preference really, they all have their advantages. Anyway, I voted for NiMH because of their relatively low cost and durability.
 
No need for me to start again, nor would I want to! (I'd be out all my Eneloops for handheld electronics and LiPos for my electric powered flight packs.:eek:)

Each person has their own needs and likewise there are different cells that will work better than others for different people. So instead of just trying to guess at what you need/want and why, I'll tell you why and how I use what I do. :thumbsup:

I use the MH-C9000 charger for the standard "1500" cycle Eneloop AA and AAA cells. (I think these are in general a much better value than the XX Eneloop cells because they have 2.4x the cumulative lifetime capacity potential and cost half as much. The XX cells just have 1.25x capacity per charge.).

I assume you already know the advantages Eneloops offer, or if you don't it's easy enough to just look up their website and have a look through this forum, so I won't bother listing them here again.

I charge the AA Eneloops on the C9000 at the default 1000mA rate and the AAAs at 400mA and then let them go through the top off and float charges for 3 hours after they're done with the main charging phase. So I have them on the charger for a total of about 5 hours. I do this so that the cells are more balanced with each other at a fully charged state. (Leaving them on longer isn't an issue, but I certainly wouldn't leave them on indefinitely.)

I use the break in function of the C9000 (after fully discharging the cells at 100mA) to test the cells, making sure they're good and within their specifications, then make series cell sets out of them by matching their capacities. For the break in function, I set the Eneloop AA capacity to 1900mAh and the AAA capacity to 800mAh. I also test their IR by comparing their load and no load voltages. The cells in each series cell set are labeled accordingly so I can keep track of them and their tested results are logged in a log book I keep for them. The cells in the sets are also only ever used together and charged at the same time so that they have the same usage history and state of charged capacity.

I store the cells charged so they can be switched out with depleted sets whenever I need them and so I don't have to wait for the depleted cells to charge. If a cell (or cells) ever starts to wander in performance from the other cells in a set, I'll break up the set and make new sets from those cells within that set that are worth keeping and still have the same performance characteristics as each other or demote one of the cells to a single cell set. I haven't needed to do this yet, but I do have single cells that I use by themselves too though of course.

In general the advantages of Eneloops (ease of use, reliability, performance) for me offer more than any other kind of cell of any chemistry for handheld electronic devices. I would even prefer if I could buy a cell phone that ran off of 3 AA cells so that I could use Eneloops in it instead of the costly and poor performing proprietary Li-ion cells that they come with.

The main advantages of Li-ion type cells (including LiPos) are their marginally higher energy density, potentially (though not always) a high discharge rate capability, and their lighter weight. This makes them very useful in one of my other hobbies, radio controlled model aircraft. They also have better charging efficiency, but that isn't really all that important to my general needs. (Pretty good for electric cars though.) However, due to their cost, potential danger, high maintenance, and lower reliability, I choose to not use them in other devices where their specific advantages aren't a necessity.
 
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well myself just getting into it the first time around it's obvious that the AA eneloop is a great deal, less obvious that the charger that comes with the best-cheapest looking deal on eneloops is not reputed to be a great charger, and less apparent still that the little usb travel charger that comes with only two AA eneloops has gotten some great reviews, particularly in how it goes about charging and how it decides to stop charging.
I've got that charger now, along with an extra 8 pack AA. The last time I tried rechargeable batteries they weren't nearly this good.
oh and those storacell battery caddies are pretty neat, just store the charged cells flipped one way and the discharged cells flipped the other way, probably the most obvious thing but I always just had them in a bag or loose in my pocket.
 
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.... unless you have specialist needs that can't be met by the above, in which case research li-ion batteries, chargers and their proper care throughly (and buy quality).

I appreciate all the responses. I don't have specialist needs, but how many folks here have dozens of torches when their needs could be filled by two or three. I don't need a 18650 light, but those 3xXM-L and super singles look impressive.

Realistically, the Eneloop AA is everything and more than I need. After my first post I read a little about the Jetbeam i4 charger. If they work the kinks out it seems to offer the flexibility to grow into Li-ion down the road. It seems many if not most of todays premium lights are being built to handle large voltage differences from NiMH to Li-ion in the same format. I'd like to see some more hybrid chargers in the market place.
 
Every technology has pros and cons. I voted for Ni-mh (Eneloops ) - durable, safe, quite good capacity, can be (in emergency) charged with unregulated voltage supply with proper resistor to limit current. AA's from flashlight are also interchangeable with AAs from wireless keyboard, mouse....
 
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