Surefire Invictus & Optimus - expectations

[Kiessling]

Now you're being unfair :whoopin:

 

[Size15's]

All we have on these two concept lights is based on very old info.
I think it's reasonable to see whether it gets refreshed for 2009 at SHOT Show.

 

[AlecGold]

All we have on these two concept lights is based on very old info.
I think it's reasonable to see whether it gets refreshed for 2009 at SHOT Show.

But I still like that video, it's the first I've seen of the Optimus and that is nice!
When is the shot show 2009? end of januari?
But even the shot show won't give me a UA2 in my chubby hands, cause they only show the products, not sell them.
At least I can't remember that such a thing happened ever.
But it will be nice to se how the product evolves over time ::crazy::

 

[MattK]

I think it's reasonable to see whether it gets refreshed for 2009 at SHOT Show.

You coming?

 

[AA6TZ]

But I still like that video, it's the first I've seen of the Optimus and that is nice!

+1 Both videos, featuring the Optimus and the Invictus, are quite nice! They sure serve to whet the Flashaholic appetite. :faint:

-Clive

 

[Size15's]

You coming?

To SHOT Show 2009?
Nah - not planning to. If it was in Vegas then perhaps...

 

[Hitthespot]

All we have on these two concept lights is based on very old info.
I think it's reasonable to see whether it gets refreshed for 2009 at SHOT Show.

I think you know more than your letting on. Of course maybe you can't say anything, but based on your statement above it will be interesting to see what happens.

I just hope that what ever they unveil at the show is released within a reasonable amount of time this year.

Happy New Year

Bill

 

[1996alnl]

Yes. Of course. What did you expect? Invictus=P7. Has always been that way.

Sorry Kiessling,didn't know what to expect.
Don't know too much about these lights. As size15's said we'll see what they have to offer in a few weeks.

 

[Size15's]

I'm just going on experience.
We know about the concepts - we've seen the UA2 at SHOT Show 2008, and photos etc of the UB2 a few months after that.
Neither the UA2 nor the UB2 have been released.
No further product information/details have been released.
SureFire have stated they are working on them and that they're not ready yet.
SHOT Show is when SureFire show what they've been up to and have planned for the coming year.

If one assumes they've been working things through and ironing out issues these concepts should be in a far more 'finished' state and ready for production compared to last year.
That suggests that we may not have to wait another whole year to see these concepts released.

Al

 

[Kiessling]

No need to be sorry :D
No one knows what they will be like, after all. And Al just muddies the waters further :whoopin:

Until now, the Invicturs featured the P7.

bernie

 

[Hitthespot]

I'm just going on experience.
We know about the concepts - we've seen the UA2 at SHOT Show 2008, and photos etc of the UB2 a few months after that.
Neither the UA2 nor the UB2 have been released.
No further product information/details have been released.
SureFire have stated they are working on them and that they're not ready yet.
SHOT Show is when SureFire show what they've been up to and have planned for the coming year.

If one assumes they've been working things through and ironing out issues these concepts should be in a far more 'finished' state and ready for production compared to last year.
That suggests that we may not have to wait another whole year to see these concepts released.

Al

That's reasonable Al. :wave:...............and I hope your right.

Happy New Year.

Bill

 

[AlecGold]

I'm just going on experience.

That suggests that we may not have to wait another whole year to see these concepts released.

Al

bloody hell, I might hope so, because I wouldn't be able to withstand the pressure of having this money at the ready and not buying something!
I'm eyeballing a sterling silver Zippo. eyeballing, cause I like sterling, but I wouldn't in the world know when to use a Zippo and most of all because there is an Optimus with my name on it. Even if it hasn't been build yet, even if it hasn't been designed finally yet :S

But you are usually well informed, Size15, and even if your not informed on this one, I value your experience-fed-guesstimations highly!
So I'll sit tight, eyeballing a sterling silver zippo, not buying it and hoping that the UA2 arrives early Q1 2009, so I can still play with it on long, dark evenings and nights :D
How do you feel about the idea that the UA2 could equal the reach of the UB2 by focussing?

A bit off topic:
I'm certainly curious what this shot show might bring us from the SF guys. I won't be there, bit to costly for my budget (remember the UA2 that has my name on it, it must be paid :D), but I would expect them to have some cool new things.
Perhaps a brother or sister for the saint, perhaps a near production model for the UA2 or a replacement for the L5 as a full tactical light (a friend of mine sees the L5 as not good enough for his tactical operations and still relays on a M3T because he feels the 125 lumens incan is more like 2x as much as the 100 lumens led of the L5, when it comes to blinding, seems to do something with the limited light spectrum of leds? :duck: )
That remembers me that we haven't seen any turbo heads with a led and I'm very curious what such a large reflector would do to the reach.
But that would need a lambertian emitting lens and I don't know if Cree's et al. are doing that.

 

[Size15's]

How do you feel about the idea that the UA2 could equal the reach of the UB2 by focussing?

That's the question.
If the UB2 has a beam ideally suited for use by operators with handguns, the UA2 could do with having this same beam in the middle of its range. Diffuse homogeneous wide beam at one end, and intense concentrated tight beam at the other.

I have a feeling that SureFire will evolve this Zoom Plate optical system over the next few years but hope this UA2 is a good start.

 

[gottawearshades]

I'm curious about the UA2. I understand that we don't know what it will look like (if?)when it comes out, but for the folks who saw it at the convention last year:

Ideally, I am hoping for a light that would give me an all-throw beam at one end, like the KL1's square-beam, no-spillbeam optic, and on the other end all flood, like the M60F on the other end.

Is this what you saw at the SHOT Show?

Will my UA2 dreams come true?

 

[Size15's]

I'm curious about the UA2. I understand that we don't know what it will look like (if?)when it comes out, but for the folks who saw it at the convention last year:

Ideally, I am hoping for a light that would give me an all-throw beam at one end, like the KL1's square-beam, no-spillbeam optic, and on the other end all flood, like the M60F on the other end.

Is this what you saw at the SHOT Show?

Will my UA2 dreams come true?

SureFire made proto-type UA2's for SHOT Show 2008 last year. A number of things about it were not finalised - for example they weren't happy with their Zoom Plate optics. I don't think any of the issues will impact the look for the UA2 though. That's not to say SureFire won't change it since it's still in development. The range of beam profile the UA2 could zoom through was not as 'extreme' as SureFire knew they could achieve with a bit more work. I like to think this is one of the things SureFire have spent 2008 refining.

Al

 

[AlecGold]

The range of beam profile the UA2 could zoom through was not as 'extreme' as SureFire knew they could achieve with a bit more work. I like to think this is one of the things SureFire have spent 2008 refining.
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That is a bit of info I didn't catch yet, but interesting news.
And good to hear SureFire didn't release it anyway, even though they weren't happy with the zoom range. Because that is what you often see happen; "the product isn't perfect yet, but release it anyway, then we can start making money out of it". And a year later the "new and improved" version shows up, making me rather annoyed because I bought the first "old and unimproved" version and often at a premium!

So despite all my bickering and whining at SF for wanting a UA2, I still prefer a good through and through developed and tested one, over a hasty release.
And IMHO it might be said (not to often, but once in a while :D) that they make wonderful good build lights that need no maintenance (other than to feed it some batteries) and after all this time in this business still didn't cave in to the temptation of fast money, but keep on making excellent products at a decent price.

 

[werdnawee]

My how time flies.

When this photo originally was released, I didn't have any of these flashlights. Now I have the M3 and the 6P.

Just waiting for that Optimus!!!!!

And now I can imagine what the Optimus might feel like "in hand" compared to the other two.

 

[KDOG3]

Dang, the Optimus looks bigger than I expected. Its about the size of a C3 or so. I've been thinking of getting an M3 for years now, maybe I should just do that....

 

[Size15's]

Dang, the Optimus looks bigger than I expected. Its about the size of a C3 or so. I've been thinking of getting an M3 for years now, maybe I should just do that....

When I handled that UA2 proto-type I noticed the length (which is why I photographed it next to an M3, and the L2)

However, it is actually not the length that is surprising - it is the slimness of it and that it feels light-weight.
The bezel diameter is the same as the Z32; so not even M2/KL5/U2/K2 diameter let alone M3/KL6.
When we caught eyes on the UB2 proto-type and it has the same Z32 diameter as the UA2 but a shorter bezel - now that's a real surprise given the 2008 catalog's assumption it would the UB2's bezel would be far larger.

Remember also that the UA2 and UB2 have a bezel-down [removable] PocketClip developed from the U2/K2/EW-04 so that makes carrying it very easy.

 

[Yoda4561]

That battery tube looks pretty thin, I take it there won't be any room for an 18650 in there :mecry: Actually it looks like it may even be too tight for a 17670:faint: