Surefire Z68, genuine or fake?

msrider

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Hi, could any one help me to verify if the Z68 on the right is genuine or fake?


Compare with the Z68 on the left which come with genuine V1, the font of "www.surefire.com" painted on the z68 on the right is obviously smaller causing the overall length of the wordings shorter than the one on the left.


Or if there are different size of font that SF printed onto Z68 over the years ?

Spring of each Z68 are enclosed.
The first pic is the z68 in question
the 2nd pic is genuine z6 that come with V1.

20200511_194355 by qw c, 於 Flickr

20200511_213611 by qw c, 於 Flickr

20200511_213628 by qw c, 於 Flickr





 

yazkaz

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You can't just determine genuine/fake based on the etched letters (ie. website link), each batch is slightly different...

These two tailcaps seem to look genuine, but again, you'll have to examine the clicky mechanism for more detail. Looks like both internals are genuine late batch variants but since I don't have the item with me it's impossible to tell.

How about, disassembling the tailcaps, then take out the clicky internals for comparison? Genuine ones should come with red-tipped plunger.
 

msrider

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You can't just determine genuine/fake based on the etched letters (ie. website link), each batch is slightly different...

These two tailcaps seem to look genuine, but again, you'll have to examine the clicky mechanism for more detail. Looks like both internals are genuine late batch variants but since I don't have the item with me it's impossible to tell.

How about, disassembling the tailcaps, then take out the clicky internals for comparison? Genuine ones should come with red-tipped plunger.

Got it, Thx!
 

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Looking at the tooling marks that performed the knurling. I'd say both were done on same machine

So, IMO both are genny's without taking apart perfectly functional tailcaps (-;
 

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Makers of counterfeit goods have been known to troll forums to progressively "perfect" their fakery.

I have a few questions to ask about one picture, but you've made me take pause. Several things I noticed. Five now.
 
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^^ Now mentioned there are more than a few tiny variations. This could just be one production parts batch to another

If OP has more than the two caps for comparision that would possibly help, or confuse even more..

I'm no help!
 

ampdude

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^^ Now mentioned there are more than a few tiny variations. This could just be one production parts batch to another

If OP has more than the two caps for comparision that would possibly help, or confuse even more..

I'm no help!

There are also other things that pictures can't identify, which I would be able to tell in person. It's not one batch to another.
 
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Makers of counterfeit goods have been known to troll forums to progressively "perfect" their fakery.

Bladeforums is famous for not helping posters for this very reason but I find it dubious. Those making counterfeit items without a doubt have purchased an authentic item to copy. They know exactly what is right and wrong on their fakes. You're not telling them anything they don't know. But they don't fix everything because it's not profitable to make a perfect one. They couldn't undercut the real brands this way. They assume a certain number of people will buy whatever because it's "close enough" or just don't know what they are looking at and they make their money off those folks. Guys on BF act like it's a revelation to the fakers that CRK doesn't use Torx fasteners. Yeah, bet they never noticed. Haha
 

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.... Those making counterfeit items without a doubt have purchased an authentic item to copy. They know exactly what is right and wrong on their fakes. You're not telling them anything they don't know. But they don't fix everything because it's not profitable to make a perfect one....

Ah, but that's just it.

It is not the actual differences ... it is what the collectors notice which they want to "fix"
 

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It really annoys me when makers in other countries try and pass things off as genuine, especially to us collectors. It's one thing to make a product that WAS a Surefire product that Surefire has ABANDONED and reintroduce your own version of the product like Lumens Factory has done very well and has a reputable line, and it's an entirely other thing to fake the product and brand it as genuine Surefire, which is sneak thievery.
 

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