Tenergy F NiMH cell problems, and chargers

marschw

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I'm using 4 of these F-size NiMH cells to power a P7 in a 6D mag, which is driven at 2.8A. It's nice and heavy. :D

However, a few days ago, I was loading them into the light, and dropped the first one in rather hard. I noticed the light was dimmer than usual when I turned it on, but thought nothing of it at the time (I assumed I was just getting jaded about how bright it was...). I ran the light for 3 or 4 hours.

When I took the batteries out later that day and checked the voltages, that first cell read 0.00v on my DMM. The others were at about 1.1v. After a rest of about 30 minutes, the 0.00v cell read about 1v, and was increasing by about 0.01v every few seconds.

Was the cell damaged by that drop? Or maybe it wasn't balanced and got over-discharged (I thought they were about the same voltage beforehand, but...). If it wasn't damaged by the drop, was it damaged by being discharged so hard? Or is this the behavior of some kind of protection circuit? (I've never heard of that in NiMH).

Additionally, I've been having a hard time finding a charger that works on these. I tried this Tenergy charger, but a capacitor in it exploded (didn't vent gracefully -- really exploded. There's this fiber stuck to the side of all the components that were facing the capacitor inside the charger.) I also tried this, but it doesn't seem to want to start. Currently, I'm using this to charge them, but it's very slow. I'd like to spend as little as possible, but that's not going to be the case if I keep getting chargers that won't work...
 
I don't think you can damage those cells by discharging them at 2.8 A. They appear to be rated for 40 A continuous...!!!

Now unfortunately you can damage NiMH cells by dropping them. They are very fragile inside and even small jarring drops can be bad for them. Dropping a cell all the way down inside a 6D Mag is not best advised.

If one cell in a pack is weaker than the others it can discharge first and be driven to zero volts or reverse charged by the others. This is a bad thing and can harm the cell. Unfortunately once a cell becomes slightly weakened it will discharge first next time too and may get harmed even more in subsequent discharges.

I've no idea about your charging problems. Those cells have a capacity of 14000 mAh so even for a slow conditioning charge of 0.1C you need a charger capable of 1.4 A. It's possible the cells have a very low internal resistance but even so I think an exploding capacitor indicates a faulty charger. It seems like you would be better looking at one of the hobby chargers rather than low cost consumer chargers. Those are professional batteries and probably deserve a professional charger.
 
Oh...then I will have to be more carefull.

I have about 40 NiMhs alltogether (and an additional pile of about 10 dead ones) maybe some of those died from me being a fumbling baffoon.
 
I am not sure about the MRC, make sure you get one of the newer ones, as the older ones had some challenges, esp for Li based cells.

One of the interesting aspects of a cell with that much capacity is finding a charger that can actually run it. I recently picked up a Triton 2, and while it can charge a lot of cells in series, it is limited to 10,000 mah capacity (in one charge cycle) so you would need to look at that spec as well.

You definitely need to use a decent charger on cells like that. I think that SAFT and Sanyo also make cells in that size range.
 

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