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I just confirmed in a confrence call with PK and his staff of engineers that *your* lens is in fact a clear knurf substrate but all others are domed pyrex. They're pyrex guys! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif
 
no more speculation... the lens is pyrex (coulnd't stand it anymore so I called pk) optics in the l1, kl1 x200 is the new resin compound... with pyrex lenses

sorry for the misleading info
 
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Mr Ted Bear said:
no more speculation... the lens is pyrex (coulnd't stand it anymore so I called pk) optics in the <font color="red"> l1 </font> , kl1 x200 is the new resin compound... with pyrex lenses

sorry for the misleading info

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Is something new on the l1 that we should know about?
 
Somebody please post photos!

And by photos, I mean the actual production light assembled, disassembled, in the package, beamshots, etc...

Thanks.
 
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Ok, I've got a little time to do some runtime tests.

I loaded the u2 and l4 with fresh pila 168s cells.

Throw is better than the l4, but it should be. Flood is not as good, but not much are.

Can't say I "like" the clip orientation. I has gotten really fond of using the l4 on the bill of my hat.

The u2 has a spring on the positive terminal and in the tail.

room temp 78f

5 min in
l4: 112f
u2: 100f

10 min in
l4: 130f
u2: 114f

15 min in
l4: 136f
u2: 117f

20 min in
l4: 142f
u2: 123f

24 min in
test paused

45 min in
still going strong
temp measurements screwed up from earlier pause

50 min
going, and going, and going

55 min
l4: just started dropping out of regulation
u2 still going strong
excellent, more light and longer runtime

56 min, 30 sec
l4: finally dropped out completely
u2: still going

58 min
paused test
swapped l4's pila into u2
u2 will NOT light on ANY level

put u2 pila back in u2
started on 1 and increased level.....
will not increase past 4
I am assuming the u2 had been dropping slightly, and I had not noticed it.

Put l4 pila back into l4. Lights up just fine.

59 min
u2 very noticeably dimmer now

ended test
 
Making me question myself like that! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Christo_pull_hair.gif
 
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I've only played with the U2 I opened for a few minutes but so far I like the variable settings and the light also has a nice balance to it but I don't like the backwards clip at all. One thing that I have to disagree with from what's been reported above is that my L5/KL5 5w LED head is beating the high output setting of the U2 by at least 10-15% in throw & intensity.
 
Donut hole in an L5? NEVER seen that! My particular L5 is the most PERFECT beam, (wall of white light, nice throw...etc.), of all my lights. I really knew all along the U2 wouldn't beat it by much, if it all. Mind you, I know the U2 is more versatile with it's different power levels, I'm just talking about high beam.
 
After spending some quality time outside a few minutes ago here's what I can add. I compared my l4, u2, and e2e.

e2e beats all in throw, but the hotspot is way too bright compared to the corona

l4 throws almost as far as the e2e, and is awesome at distances up to 15 feet

u2 throws more than the l4, and maybe as much as the e2e. it doesn't have as much flood as the l4

My verdict is out right now. If I had to decide between the l4 and u2, I'd pick the u2 because of the different levels.

The pocket clip on the u2 is another issue. Originally I didn't like it because I couldn't clip it to the bill of my hat. I still am not crazy about that, but as big and heavy as it is my head would likely point straight toward the ground anyway. So given that it's too big/heavy for hat use it does work pretty well for pocket use.

The lower temp of the u2 is nice, and the throw improvement is a plus also.

Although, I think you could make an adjustable l4 WITH a normal pocket clip.

Some people say that 6 levels is too many, but I think that part is dead on. You've got level 1 which is good for all night (nightlight in a hotel/tent/etc). You've got a few mid range levels for rummaging around the campsite, and not killing batteries every hour. Then you've got level 6 for looking in the trees and scouting out boogerbears.

If the u2 was designed as a do-it-all light, then I think surefire did it.
It's got:
good flood
good throw
good battery life
good overall brightness (although I though 100 lumens would be brighter)
li-ion support (pila A and S)
regular 123 support

Now if I can just bring myself to sell my l4 and e2e since OBVIOUSLY I don't need them anymore. That'll also help smooth things over with the wife.

Al was right about the momentary mode having a slight delay. Right after turn-on, the light starts at level1 and ramp up to the set level. It is _very_ quick, but not as fast as a regular light. Probably takes 1/10 second to reach the set output.
 
Sorry guys, but I don't like the physical looks of the U2 at all. In addition, the clip appears to be totally useless. For those who prefer to clip inside of front pocket.............. once they get past the inconvenience of that large bezel being pretty far down in the the pocket, they'll have to worry about the losing the light. I don't see the reliability of that clip, at all.

I guess that's why there is chocolate, vanilla and strawberry.
 
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Sorry guys, but I don't like the physical looks of the U2 at all. In addition, the clip appears to be totally useless. For those who prefer to clip inside of front pocket.............. once they get past the inconvenience of that large bezel being pretty far down in the the pocket, they'll have to worry about the losing the light. I don't see the reliability of that clip, at all.

I guess that's why there is chocolate, vanilla and strawberry.

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Well, be sure to at least get to play with one some. I would NOT put this light in the EDC category, unless you have a bag or something.
 
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Well, be sure to at least get to play with one some. I would NOT put this light in the EDC category, unless you have a bag or something.

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Easy to carry in a jacket or cargo pants. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Ok....luxlover did a very nice initial review. Here are some additional points.

1. This is essetially a 6-stage L5 (AND THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT IT!!).

2. High position (6) is so similar to the L5 that I haven't been able to detect much difference. I refer to "luxlover's" more in-depth study at this point as I have yet to test this light at distance, outside, under full-dark conditions. (Later, I did a short-range, in-house test on one U2 and it was definitely brighter on high than the L5).

3. Low position (or Position "1") has about the same output as a "Photon" and is a little brighter than one might expect. MUCH better than the old L1 on "low". Position "3" is about the equivalent of an old KL1. By Position "4", it is beginning to equal the L4 in throw. Position "5" is outthrowing the L2 on "High" and approaching the L5 in output. (Of course, the U2 could not compare to the "wall-of-light" that the L4 or L2 would throw with their flood heads - we are just talking throw here). By Position "6", The U2 was slightly outdistancing the L5, and about equal to the E2e/MN03. The big difference was the "wall-of-light" that the U2 threw at maximum range vs. the E2e pencil beam.

4. The only two holsters that I have been able to use for it so far are the SOEgear.com "A2" (and it is a very tight fit), and the Surefire V26 (and it is a perfect fit, but does not protect the head or rotation ring).

5. The Z-41-BK "tactical" twist-on/lockout tailcap will NOT work if you want to convert this to a gun light - only the Z-58/Z-59/Z-59 HAIII BK. You will have to get into specifically made weapon-light parts that McGizmo commented upon a while back if you want to use this light for tactical purposes. I later tried the Z-48/Z-49 shrouded, tactical tailcaps, and they work, giving you a candle-mode, click-on option, but I don't like the resultant increased length or weight. I don't know about the SW-02 tailcap.

6. I pre-ordered two from Dan @ Tactical Warehouse and received them today the 24th. VDG!!! Cudos and appreciation to Dan.

7. One light had an almost perfect beam with a good hotspot and the tint was slightly yellow, as compared to the L2/L4/L5/L6. I do not find the tint objectionable since it is closer to true sunlight spectrum. The second light had a slight donut hole and was a little closer to the blue-white tint of the L2/L4/L5/L6. When shined at objects other than a white wall, the donut hole all but disappeared. The donut-hole, blue-white light was slightly brighter than the more yellow, perfect-beam light. It looks like some variation on LED alignment and bin quality is going to be the norm. Later the next evening, I did some beam testing with the slightly brighter, donut-hole light with the following results: It just plain blows the L2 right out of the water except in beam angle (flood). The donut hole completely disappears with "normal use". The light was slightly brighter than the L5 and had a slightly better throw as a result. This is consistent with the fact that the L5 is supposed to have 80 lumens of output, and the U2 is supposed to have 100 lumens of output. The beam characteristics are identical with the L5.

The FM-64 beamshaper filter (used on the M2/L5/KL5/KL3 heads) completely eliminated the donut hole and made a very nice "lens-protected" 6-stage flood light, with a "flip-open-for-distance" option. Unfortunately, it greatly expands the head diameter, and may create a stowing problem (pocket or holster). If anyone knows of a slim "slipon" cover, especially with a beam shaper window, that will fit this 1.47" bezel, I would appreciate a PM with the info!!!!

I experienced absolutely no tint change whatsoever when I "ramped-up" through the 6 stages of brightness.

8. When held using the Rogers-Surefire technique, the pocket clip is a minor pain-in-the-***. Holding it pocketclip-down or closer to the tailcap seems to help. I understand that the tailcap is removable but I'm not going to be the first. What the heck, if this is the only light you have when push-comes-to-gunfire, the only real concern is whether it lights up. Since I normally wear a Peltor "hearing-augmentation/decibel-rejection technology" headset, I can attach the U2 to the headband from the rear just as easily as I attach the L1s/L2s/E1s/E2s from the front side, and the pocket clip orientation is not a problem for me. The U2 is so light that the weight is not even noticed.

9. I think enough of this light to make it my PRIMARY "Utility" light and it will replace my L2 in that role. I gain over 400%+ runtime on low and can "ramp up" thru 6 stages to a brighter "high" with a lot more throw.

10. There are no detents at each position. It smoothly changes levels, through 6 different levels, over a total rotation of about 110 degrees. The levels appear to be a little too closely spaced on the arc of rotation at first, until you realize that, for utility purposes, they have to be or you would die of old age twisting your life away. Once you accept the philosophy and get used to it, it is very, very nice. Well-thought-out. I did notice, in playing with it over the next couple of days, that when I VERY SLOWLY tried to move from level 5 to level 6, I could get it to revert back to level 1 during the transition and then strobe. This is a somewhat ridiculous observation and totally unimportant discovery since you would never use the light in this manner. However, it DOES open up some VERY INTERESTING "signaling" possibilities!

11. This is a very high-quality, technological marvel. Cudos to PK. HOWEVER, the goalposts still appear to be too far apart on beam quality, and bin quality IMHO. (I have also, at times, been referred to as a "pain-in-the-*** perfectionist".)

12. Although I found my tailcap to be just a little stiffer than "luxlover's", it was not objectionable and I assume a breakin period will suffice.

13. The light is very light and well balanced - lighter and smaller than the L5, shorter than the L2.

14. The rheostat WILL rotate in your pocket or when placing it into a tight-fitting holster, so a check that the rheostat is full counterclockwise (as viewed from the tailcap end) is in order before activation. It is not that it could use more friction (any more than it presently has would be somewhat inconvenient) - it is just that a check is in order just because it CAN change settings. I used a "Sharpie" silver-metallic, permanent-marker, and marked the full-counterclockwise "low-power" position, and the full-clockwise "high-power" position with a silver dot on the adjustment ring and the body, opposite each other, at the appropriate positions. Be careful - the positions are very closely spaced. Every other position is a "dial-as-desired" situation. This will give me a visual check without twisting. I also did the same for the tailcap to indicate lockout/lockin positions. This is less important, but I do this to all of my Surefires.

15. I like it. VDG PK!!!!! Sure, it can be better, but what couldn't? I rate it as the best "utility" light produced to date. It will do everything that the L1, L2, L4, and L5 combined will do, and do it for $270 instead of $600. What's not to like??!!

16. There is a restrictive inner diameter machined into the flashlight body at the tailcap end that will limit the size of the batteries that can be inserted from the back side. This is NOT the case at the front end however, so "fatter" batteries have to go in from the front. This information is apparently useful to "Pila" users, and "Hoghead" addressed this subject in detail under this post. I'm just a little confused as to why PK would design this feature into the final production model.

17. The HA III BK finish DOES have a slight purple tint and does not match the "flat black" of the polymer parts but who cares. I'm just pleased that PK lowered the weight wherever it was practical to do so, and polymer parts are practically indestructable. Weight is critical.

Hope some of this helps. I will continue to edit this post as I learn more.
 
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