Undecided on the SureFire A2

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Well, thanks to Charlie, my A2 arrived today. Needless to say, I've been playing with it. My initial reaction before even turning it on was it's size. Compared to my E2 body - E2E bezel combination, this puppy is huge. It's longer and fatter. The bezel is significantly larger as well.

Putting those downers aside, I fired this bad-boy up along with the E2. Right of the bat, the A2 is whiter and appears to be brighter also. I don't like the fact the LEDS stay on in high-power mode. I would have expected the LEDS would turn off. I'll chaulk this up to a design flaw. All leaving those LEDS on during high-power mode does is screw up the beam at close range. On this particular A2, the beam quality is not as good as any of my E2 lights. It's about as round, however is ringing at close range pointing at a blank wall.

I can't comment on run-time yet, since I'm still testing. I'll post some results later tonight or tomorrow. Will I keep the A2? Don't know, the jury is still out.

Update #1: The A2 and E2 have each been running for 30-minutes now. The A2 is noticably whiter than the E2. The E2 is warm while holding it, however the A2 is HOT and I mean HOT. There's no way to hold this in you hand for more than a few seconds. The bezel is even HOTTER, to the point where it could be classified as a fire hazard in my opinion

Update #2: I always wondered about the "hazing" of the reflector that took place with all of my E2/E2E lights when left on for a long duration. Most of the time, it always goes away after the light cools, however it always made for a "cloudy" look while the light was on once this conditions occurred. As I speak, that condition has occurred again on the E2, however the A2 is burning without any of this "cloudy or hazy" film on the reflector or lens.

Update #3: This is very interesting to say the least. Just to set the groundwork, my test started at 21:30. As I'm typing, it's 22:15. My E2 had the MN03 HOLA in there. It not a new lamp and has about 2-hours of usage on it. At 22:12, the A2 dropped right into moon-mode, without any gradual drop-off. It was like someone threw a switch. At that level it became much dimmer than the E2 which is still burning fairly brightly. At 22:14, the A2 jumped back up to bright-mode again, burning as brightly as when the test first started. One minute later, at 22:15 (this is what made my log this update) the A2 dropped down to moon mode again. It is currently 22:18. The A2 is quite a bit dimmer than the E2-MN03. Both the A2 and the E2 are now too HOT to hold. The reflector on the E2 is cloudy, and appears to have a film on it. The A2 reflector is crystal clear, just as it was when the test started.

Update #4 FINAL UPDATE: It's now 22:30 and this will be the final update, simply because the A2 is exhusted, while the E2 is burning with plenty of light to perform most tasks. The incandescent bulb of the A2 is just about out, to the point where the LEDS projecting on the wall at 4-feet away have taken over any visible beam from the incandescent bulb. The A2 is now cooling off to the touch, while the E2 is still quite WARM, but not unbarable.

I guess you folks will need to draw your own conclusions and decide for yourselves as to whether or not the A2 is for you. Quite honestly, I don't see the A2 staying in my collection. It's too large to carry and for the type of work that I use a light for, does not provide any added benefits. I question it's durability and it's ability to handle moisture. It's clip and the way it mounts is the same as the E2E, which we all know is a big cause of mositure entering the body. I prefer the size and the seal of the E2, plus the roundness of E2 body. I never did care for those flat-spots found in the E2E/E2O and now the A2.

If nothing else, I hope this was informative for those of you thinking of purchasing the A2. I'm certainly glad I had the opportunity to perform this test.
 
well...if you decide on not keeping it...(knudge knudge). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Although, having never owned or held an A2, i can see where the extra inch or so in length could become troublesome; Especially when you've grown accustomed to the size of an E2 or an Arc LS.

In my opinion, hearing you say that the beam is whiter and maybe a little brighter than the E2 is pretty much all i need to hear about the A2. The extra inch in length would make up for carrying two lights in my pocket.

As for the ringyness of the beam....i don't think i would really mind. If i needed to use it for REALLY close work, then i think the 3 LEDs would be enoegh, the Arc AAA is already bright enoegh for up-close tasks. But then again...i've never tried the A2. Although, the LEDs do stay on, i don't see how that would be much of a problem since the current draw is low, unless you had a different color LED, then maybe the LEDs might be a problem. Al, says that you can make out the LED's beam color, especially the blue and red ones, at close range, but not at longer distances.

I'm anxious to hear your review on the A2. There are many reviews out there already, but it seems like you will be a little bit more critical as far as its "EDC-ability" is concern.

Chears!
 
I'm also very anxious to hear your review because you tend to be more critical (sometimes a good thing). Put it this way, what you say will decide for me whether to get this light or not /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

CM
 
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good review, this reinforces my decision i made to sell mine.

i think after the newness wears off the A2 will be a slow seller and the E2x will remain king.
 
Hmm...the regulation seems to be a little faulty. I wonder if it's the batteries or the circuitry at fault. I wouldn't want a peice of equipment to malfunction like that.

Good review.
 
Very interesting. Thanks nascar, I think I'll pass on the A2 for now. I've been on the fence on getting the A2 for a while but after your review (as well as others here) I don't think this light is for me. Hey that frees up some money for the LS4 and KL4. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CM
 
I'd like to add that the EXTREME heat of the A2 is also a big minus, for me anyway. For starters, that really can't be good for the bulb and it's electronics...i don't care how well designed it is, heat = bad. And second, i've had first hand experience of a constantly run Surefire E2...from start to finish. That thing is HOT to hold, I managed to hold it for about a minute or so, but that's it. I also accidentally fell asleep with the E2 and i must have rolled on top of it, activating it. Needless to say the damn thing woke me up...and i'm a HEAVY sleeper too! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Anyway...i'm still, most likely, going to pick one of these up when i have the money. But...i just recieve my first Arc LSH-P, and the thought of the Arc LS 4 comming in October has me rethinking my spending priorities again. I'm starting to use my LSH-P more than my E2 nowadays. But this is off topic now.

Again...Thanks for the review! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
I'm undecided on the A2 also, and this review keeps me solidly undecided. On the one hand, the A2 looks good: close-up and incredibly handy LED mode, plus 45minutes steady bright light versus the E2's hour or so constantly declining light, and the only inconvenience is a mere extra inch of body length.

On the other hand, it *is* an extra inch of body length, and the light is so dang expensive, and really, just 45 minutes of bright light ???

On the third hand, maybe the fact that the A2 has the LED lights built in means I'll use the LEDs at times when I'd otherwise use the incandescent, in which case the 45 minute burn time will nevertheless translate into much longer time between battery changes.

Who am I kidding, I'll probably get one.

Joe
 
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Who am I kidding, I'll probably get one.

Joe

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THAT'S THE SPIRIT, Joe! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Like Joe I was undecided.

I carried the E2e with a KL-1 and was happy as a lark. I don't really need an A2.

So, today I stop by Brightguy to pick up a couple of G2's to make weaponlights for my grandson's paintball guns.

I am not in the door two minutes when Greg is demonstrating the A2.

I'm sold, I gotta have one of those. I'll take it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif

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I've been testing and using my A2 over the last few days, and I must say that Nascar's reactions are very similar to my own. If the A2 was E2 sized and incandescent only I would consider carrying it.

I carry my E2HA/MN02 in my right rear posket clipped to an extension I made to my address book. I'm not aware of its presence and my girlfriend says it's not noticeable because the extension is lateral and the E2 (not E2E) adds almost no additional thickness. I tried this with my A2 and rejected it.

The A2 is a beautiful piece of creative engineering and the harbinger of exciting things to come. It will remain in my collection as something to occasionally be looked at lovingly if somewhat regretfully.

Brightnorm
 
Thanks nascar for the interesting review. That makes me a bit undecided on my second A2. Ok, I 'll get an A2 porcupine instead. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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That does seem like a peculiar "feature" LEDs stay on in high power mode. Esp if it were to be red or blue LED models.

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Yeah with the red and blue leds it could be pretty strange.
But with the white leds staying on I see no problem.
 
I not saying I diasgree completely but I'd like to make a few points.

First of all, the heat build up is not really an issue if you hold it in your hand. And I mean, hold it in your hand the whole time, not just grab it when it's hot. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Your hand will conduct the heat away from the flashlight keeping it cooler. And you can switch hands. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif When I was testing my E2 I was able to handle it after being on for 50, 60 & 70 minutes. It was very warm but I don't see this being an issue since it is normally held in your hand anyway.

As far as the LED's remaining on with the incandescent, well, I would like them to turn off too, if for nothing else but to conserve battery power. There is one good reason for them to stay on. When the A2 drops into moon mode the 3 LED's remain on. But at least with white LED's I don't notice them on anyway. I can't see a reason to use a 50+ lumen light to look at something so close up that the 3 lumens worth of LEDs would be more noticeable than the 50 lumen main lamp. With colored LEDs this could be more distracting though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


The A2 is one of those "all in one" lights. It happends to fit my needs well be cause I use the LEDs a bit more than the incan. This balance makes this light useful. Unfortunately, if you have a better combo of lights (E2 & Arc LS or AAA, etc.) then the A2 offers very little that you don't already have.
 
Sean: a bit off topic, but i'm curious as to how a surefire must get before the lexan lens bubbles. did your E2 ever get hot enough to bubble the lens? the only time i ever bubbled a lexan lens was when i intentionally held the bezel of my old mini maglite over an open lighter flame /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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