VIP TWISTY Poll #3

[Radagast]

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif I hope this is the last. The last poll is scratched. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gifWe need a design that will require as little extra work for Charlie as possible. I hope and am pretty sure you all can respect this.

Here's the choices:

#1. Courtesy of Aten Imago. Tailcap with three vertical 1/8 inch grooves. This design provides grip without knurling, and will better match the plain unknurled head of the VIP. The 3 grooves also echo the 3 prongs of the King's Crown.

#2. Tailcap with 2 fins matching the fins on the VIP body. Are even more fins on this light redundant? You be the judge! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

#3. Tailcap with 2 rows of knurling matching the VIP fins.

As usual, I'm probably leaving out details /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif. Please ask. Thanks for your time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Aten_Imago]

Nice work Otto!
Thanks!

 

[CUTiger3]

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I'm sorry, but no laynard attachment = NO interest.
Since the VIP will be my new EDC, laynard attachment is necessary for security...

 

[Aten_Imago]

Not to loose hope! A cursory inspection of any VIP suggests hidden possibilites. Why can't a Surefire lanyard ring go in between the last and next to last fins?
Just a thought....
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CUTiger3 said:
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I'm sorry, but no laynard attachment = NO interest.
Since the VIP will be my new EDC, laynard attachment is necessary for security...

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[McGizmo]

CUTiger3,

You can do an easy "soft" lanyard attachment with cord between the fins.

 

[Otokoyama]

One knurled edge is all that's required for sufficient grip. Would it be acceptable to go with only one "fin" on the twisty and thereby reduce the overall length?

The gray squares are a cross section of a foam donut that ensures battery disconnect and no rattle. The switch could be drilled out to lighten somewhat, though the resulting cavity would provide an excellent place to collect pocket dirt.

 

[Aten_Imago]

I personally like that option a lot but would challenge the very short spacer between the knurled Lailcap 'fin' and the last fin of the VIP itself. my inclination would be to double that distance. RE The drilled tailcap. Hey! That's great. Now all you need to do is make it only 1/8" deep and flat (not conical) and then install a 2mm diameter wire 'D' lanyard ring that tucks in add a 1/4"X20 tap and that that solves the attachment to lanyard/tent/keyring challenge.I've e-mailed you a .Gif. Nice indeed ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
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Otokoyama said:
One knurled edge is all that's required for sufficient grip. Would it be acceptable to go with only one "fin" on the twisty and thereby reduce the overall length?

The gray square are a cross section of a foam donut that ensures battery disconnect and no rattle. The switch could be drilled out to lighten somewhat, though the resulting cavity would provide an excellent place to collect pocket dirt.

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[Radagast]

Otok. Nice!.... but it's a whole new design which is what Charlie is trying to avoid. The cap so far is just going be a King's crown minus prongs and kroll hole, and the most popular choice of gripping.

If you want to present some designs to Charlie and take this over for me be my guest. No hard feelings and Paypal ready!

Just kidding. Contact Charlie I'll help in whatever meager way I can /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Although... Charlie said if we can hold off a little while until his work load lessens he'll be willing to put a little more effort into the twistie. I'm curious to see what comes of that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

I think this twisty could be good for EDC. I'm a clutz and I know I'm going to drop the VIP and bend or ding those prongs /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mecry.gif

 

[CUTiger3]

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McGizmo said:
CUTiger3,

You can do an easy "soft" lanyard attachment with cord between the fins.

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McGizmo,

I thought about that option, but was concerned with how the laynard would "ride" inside my pocket. The laynard used would be based on the style attached to my CRK Sebenza. Not sure on the name of the knot, so I guess we can call it the "Reeves" knot. Thanks for your input /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[MR Bulk]

Simpler the better. I am in agreement that there should be at least One knurled surface (fin or whatever) to facilitate grip, however that should be it. I would be in favor of a scooped-out edge with a small hole drilled through (ala' Minimag) for lanyard attachment.

Nothing fancy please, otherwise I'm out (you all are free to design whatever accessories you want for your VIPs, it's just that you will be on your own and will get to experience firsthand the exhilaration - and loss of hair and sleep - that comes with designing/producing/disseminating Any new item).

 

[Radagast]

Aten Imago asked me to post this for him.

 

[rfdancer]

Yes! to the lanyard hole. Charie's idea is fine. KISS (keep it super simple)

 

[Radagast]

I'm looking at Otokoyama's pic and am wondering how high that battery sits in the body. I was going by my arc ls twistys in which the battery sits in a "cup". I haven't even seen a VIP in person but now it seems the twisty will be more of a plug than a cup. This is going to look a lot different than ANY of the choices, huh? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

 

[Aten_Imago]

BTW- that strange looking 'loop' hanging down is envisioned as a a 1mm diameter spring steel 'D' ring that tucks away into the inset for ceiling mode use and allows for native 'straight down' hanging from a keychain, lanyard or tent- just as in the new Dorcy AAA /AA. [ QUOTE ]
Radagast said:
Aten Imago asked me to post this for him.

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[Otokoyama]

Aten Imago: The "short" spacer simply maintains the fin spacing of the production VIP. I very much like the idea of the tuck-in lanyard ring. Do you know where such a "D" ring might be acquired?

Radagast: The base of the 123 battery is about .44" from the rim of the VIP body. The twisty design must also consider use with AA batteries, which have a different base than the 123s.

 

[Aten_Imago]

I did figure that much out about the 'short' spacer-meant to continue the fin pattern into the tailcap with no discontinuity. That's fine. I just imagined that another option would double that space- an action that not only makes 'turning' more sure but also says 'hey' look at me- I'm a tailcap- twist me baby' - maybe not in those exact words though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Where to get the 'D' ring pail handle? Gosh. I honestly don't know. But either we have to make our own or somebody out in Asia must make something like this for the VIP ??? as I said in PM. Another option would be for charlie to just 'start' the 'D' ring holes and countersink ( you say that in USA?) the 1/4X20 for folks to 'roll thier own' after that. That gives everyone your original design plus an option to add thier own D ring and to tap thier own threaded hole. Lets call it "Open VIP Twisty Tail Cap Architecture" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Otokoyama said:
Aten Imago: The "short" spacer simply maintains the fin spacing of the production VIP. I very much like the idea of the tuck-in lanyard ring. Do you know where such a "D" ring might be acquired?

Radagast: The base of the 123 battery is about .44" from the rim of the VIP body. The twisty design must also consider use with AA batteries, which have a different base than the 123s.

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[BC0311]

I wonder how easily that 1mm wire bail could be yanked out of the cap?

 

[Radagast]

Courtesy of Aten Imago:

My incompetence on this had me a little down yesterday but this cheered me up. Thanks A.I.! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I like #3. (On Aten's pic, not the survey. On the survey this still counts as #1)

 

[MR Bulk]

Whatever happened to *simple*?

I'm out. Got two other projects coming up anyway (four if we count the VIP BH plus AA extension tube). Otok, are you up for this?

 

[BC0311]

I'm out too.

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Where to get the 'D' ring pail handle? Gosh. I honestly don't know. But either we have to make our own or somebody out in Asia must make something like this for the VIP ??? as I said in PM. Another option would be for charlie to just 'start' the 'D' ring holes and countersink ( you say that in USA?) the 1/4X20 for folks to 'roll thier own' after that. That gives everyone your original design plus an option to add thier own D ring and to tap thier own threaded hole. Lets call it "Open VIP Twisty Tail Cap Architecture"


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Aten Imago, you've dogged Mr. Bulk with your ideas for the VIP for months.

Recently, your suggestion that he should design and have made a custom Kroll boot to accommodate your clicke/twisty combo VIP tailcap would have been funny if you hadn't been serious.

Here, once again, you are insisting on Mr Bulk finding a manufacturer for or manufacturing himself these flimsy wire bails. Also, him drilling holes and countersinking them.

Well, thanks to your latest idea, Mr. Bulk has left the building.