What makes a good EDC?

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Disclaimer: I am the owner of Arc Flashlight. As such, you can expect me to have some bias about which light is good for certain tasks. However, I do spend a lot of time using and evaluating lights so I feel like I can comment on what makes a good EDC.

What makes a Good EDC?

First off, what is an EDC? It is an acronym for Every Day Carry. This is a light designed to be easy to carry every day.

Of course, first you have to be convinced of the value of carrying a light with you everyday. If you don't think you need a light ready to provide illumination whenever you need it, then the concept of EDC will have little value to you. We have countless letters/emails and verbal testimonies from people who have had the day saved by the fact they happened to have a light on them when an emergency occurred.

What features should an EDC have? I feel the most important feature is size. If you don't carry it every day then its going to do you little good. There are a lot of reasons for not caring a particular light like brightness, batteries, durability, water resistance, etc. But size is the number one reason. Now, the other features are important and there is a point where size matters less. For example, if you have two lights that are equally easy to carry but one is more waterproof, then waterproofness has become the determining factor.

I have talked to many people about the lights they carry. There are people who brag about the big lights they own (but left at home) and then there are the people who over and over tell me about the easy to carry lights that saved their hide. Therefore, I have learned to take this bragging with a grain of salt. Who drives a dragster to work everyday? Sometimes the use of flashlights takes on the nature of a sport (like hot rods). But unless that sport can do some honest work and matter at the most critical times then it is just a sport.

You guys should know me by now. I am very serious about the utility of a design. Yes, I have fun, but fun in helping people. As flashlight movers and shakers, I feel we have a social responsibility.

By all means, if it is a hobby for you, have a blast. But let’s call a spade a spade.

There are some lights on the market that are very popular with the average flashlight lover. But do they make a good EDC? Only you can answer that question. It is very easy: Do you carry it with you every day or does it sometimes get left a home. Why does it get left at home? Maybe it's not a good EDC but just fine for showing off?

Let’s look at the Surefire L4. To get 2 hours of full brightness, you need just 1 battery in the LSH but 4 batteries in the L4 (2 in the 65 minute light, 2 extra). You might think, "Ahh, I don't think I ever will be in an emergency where I need more than an hour of light!". But are you assuming your batteries in the L4 are always fresh? Maybe they only have 1/2 of their life left? You're going to have to whip out your Arc to finish it up. No problem if you don't mind lugging around a bunch of extra stuff every where you go.

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Sure, the L4 is 3 times the brightness, but dead batteries are equally dark, no matter how huge the LED. And yes, both the L4 and the LSH have dim modes that last for 6 or more hours. But if you are counting on that for regular use, you might as well save some space and money and carry an Arc-AAA.

Besides the size, the L4 looses points in my book because it is not waterproof. The manufacturer only claims it is "weatherproof". A good EDC has to be waterproof, otherwise, stay away from water!

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How about the Inova X5T (that "T" is for "Tactical")? The X5T is twice the size and weight while half the brightness of an LSH-P. The run time is longer, so that is a definite plus. But is it worth it? A similar size LSH-P system with an extra battery (then similar to the bulk of the X5) would provide 4 hours or bright, regulated light and over 12 hours of diminished lights. There is a point where the weight of the extra batteries you need to get a long run time is so much the light is left at home anyways. At that point, the long run is exactly zero when you need it the most. The X5T is a lot cheaper. You can buy 4 of them for the price of one LSH-P (but only carry one of course). And I do admit, the X5 does look cool. But cool is a fool when it lets you down.

I won't say much about the longer lasting LED (underdriven vs severe overdrive), the best regulation in the business, tougher finish, more ergonomic switch, etc.

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Personally, I think the Arc-AAA makes the best EDC. But I do carry an LSH-P with me almost as much as I carry the Arc-AAA.

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There are times when I think the L4 or the X5T is the best light to have. No contest. I am just saying I don't that they are the best bet for the task of EDC.

Well anyways, you know how I feel. But you are the guys that have to lug this stuff around. So what do you think? Do I make a good point or does it just not matter?

Sorry if I butchered any sacred cows or upset any diehard SF/EE fans.

Peter
 
well size for sure.and trust in the maker the light.one i want for sure is the arc.im very impressed with its quality .o and out of the 2 arc,s id say the arc Ls. i also like the fact the Ls uses 1 battery instead of 2 sometimes comeing up with 1 is a lot more easy.i had no idea the size difference the surefire looks huge next to the arc Ls l
 
You make very good points. My EDC light is currently a photon microlight, with an ARC AAA if needed (at night, dark place, etc.) Personally, I don't like the feel of the Arc with my keys, but maybe it's just becuase I only have a few keys and like them small. I have never been one to have a 'big' light such as a Scorpion as an EDC, and never needed to as I have them stashed so they are close at all times. IMO ARC makes excellent products and will always have a place in my collection.

-Mike
 
i agree with your last point...there are times when i leave my arc LSH at home or throw it in my bag, but my arc AAA is always on my person no matter what.
 
i carry my ls with me almost as much as my aaa. only reason why i have the aaa is because it fits perfectly on my keychain and i have my keys ANYWHERE i go.
 
Your points are rock solid and after owning many lights I came to a simmilar conclution. My best point though between my ARC-LS and my surefire E-1 was the E-1 has a bulb that is anything but reliable when compared to an LED, also the E-1 just dies (and I mean one time light the next nothing) when the battery dies; where as the ARC-LS will go to moon mode and you arn't left out in the dark.
 
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To paraphrase: the three most important qualities of EDC are size, size, and size. Next in importance, for me, is battery type - I prefer AAA or AA (something that can be bought anywhere).

Contradicting everything I just said, I just LOVE the LS. Its design and 'feel' are just terrific. So while the AAA is my EDC light, I switch to the LS whenever I can get away with it.

When I travel, I'll take the AAA (or the new AA) since I don't know where to get CR123's in a strange place.

-barry

p.s. Little measurement differences can make a big difference in pocketability. I have the SF L4 on the E1E body. This combo is only slightly larger than the LS, but it is enough so that it is pretty unlikely that I'll ever pop it into my pocket as an EDC light.

-b
 
For EDC I want long run times(2+ hours), useable light (darkened stairwells, changing flat tires types of things), reliable operation, ruggedness, something that fits inside my pocket comfortably (I do not care for things in pouches hanging off my belt), not have to carry spares or other components for everything (except batteries). Oh look, I think I just described Arc's product lines.

I gave my wife an Arc-AAA and she uses it 3-4 times a week. I was given an Arc-AAA as a gift and use it about the same. We both have them on our keychains. I also carry an LSH-P (second) in my pocket. We have one spare 123 battery and one spare AAA battery in each vehicle. I feel these lights are perfect for EDC because they fullfill my requirements.

Do I have other lights...yes, but they aren't really EDC kinds of lights IMHO.

mike
 
Some very good points Peter. That's why if I have nothing else on me, I will always have an ARC-AAA and ARC-LSHP on my person.

Your points about spare-cells made me think of an outstanding request I had made before. I'd like to see the LS pouch modified to allow the carrying of 1 or 2 spare 123-cells. The current version carrys 4-cells very nicely, however that means that I'd have to wear 2-pouches, one for the LS and the other for the spare cells. A modified pouch to allow the carrying of 1 or 2 spare cells would be a great addition.
 
You make good points, and I don't think anybody wonders what I think of the Arc AAA as an EDC. My AAA's are still my most-used lights for the simple reason that they're so easy to carry.

In the larger-than-AAA sizes though - let's call them the EODC (Every Other Day Carry) - there is an important feature missing in your analysis above... and that feature is an integral belt clip. Unless I can easily clip a light onto my pants *bezel down,* I don't carry it very often. Of course there are precious few (any?) lights on the market that come this way from the factory. Every one of my commonly carried lights now has a bezel-down clip feature that was added after-market. I use my lights quite often in a hands-free, bezel down fashion. By hanging the light on my belt and allowing it to illiminate my "personal space" I can comfortably walk along in the dark with my hands full. Rarely do I want to walk around with the light aimed into my ear. This bezel-down clip is a feature that I've come to require from my lights. Carrying a light this way also protects the lens from crud and scratches is a bonus.

A stout bezel-down clip was one of the mandatory design criteria of the McLux. To a person, we all found bezel-down carry to be invaluable in an EDC.


Other items that are forever on my wishlist:
1. Tail-standing
2. Dimmable (!)
3. Protected switch
4. Scratch-proof (glass!) lens
5. Waterproof
6. Threaded accessory port (so I can add my own damn clip if I want!)

Thanks for letting me ramble.
 
... just to add to what I said, I find the form-factor of the AAA so wonderful, that I've already had 2-of them modded with an LS and 2-more being done as we speak. The runtime compared to the stock AAA sucks, however the wide, white, no hotspot characteristics makes it a great light to carry for close-up work.
 
Darell, I agree with all of your requirements with the exception of #4 and #5. It's yet to be proven to me that one (glass vs lexan) is better than the other for an LED light. The accessory port is a great addition, however I don't view it as mandatory. If I carried my LS in my pocket, I'd agree with #3, however I belt-carry it in the OEM pouch.
 
as long as the light i'm using doesn't produce enough heat to melt a lexan lens, i'd take lexan over pyrex any day /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I am with Darell,
The ability for it to stand on end is important for power failures and it use it on a table. I am also a fan of glass lens, my AAA EDC, 2AA and M*g mods use glass...just a personal preference. I also like the idea of a clip to attach the light to your belt (or bullet-proof vest, ski vest etc.)
It should also have the ability to use AA batteries, preferably a single AA. My travels take me to very strange places for long periods of time and lithiums are not available.
So, my favorite Arc would be an R ranked LS that would kick down to 175mA with a single AA and rocket back up to 350mA with two AA or a lithium (interchangable barrels) Just for fun, the ability to change the LED easily and swap optics to a Fraen low profile for more of a spot beam. Change the optics again for a McFlood. Throw some glass in that puppy for a lens and it would be a keeper.
Since I am impatient, my Stoplight is coming and Wayne is making the madmax R ranked sandwiches to put it together. It will be nice to change from a single AA to a double when needed. Already have the mineral glass lens so maybe my dream light will be a reality if I can put a belt clip on the Garrity 2AA tailcap (filed down the fit)
The Arc is close....oh so close! Glass lens, belt clip, protected switch, interchangable optics and the ability to run on a single AA... OK, since I am dreaming... a 3 watt version with a dimmer.
The greatest part of this thread is that you asked, I will keep an eye out for the LS5 with the plethora of options.
 
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spud said:
peter

why do you use the kroll switch ?

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With all due respect and in an interest not to muddy this thread with this debate again, can I suggest you perform a Search in the ARC Forum for "Kroll". There are literally hundreds of message that discuss this in great detail.
 
Mr. Gransee, several things:

1. I'm sure you saw my thread about how I was disappointed with my LSL. Well, I want you to be the first to know that I retract that statement. I will post a more detailed thread in your Arc forum later, but for now will say that this thing (LSL) has really grown on me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

2. I personally feel that there is not currently one single light on the market that will do it all. Frankly, I'm not sure that such a light is capable of ever being created. Why? As Al is so fond of saying, "Two is one and one is none," or, simple redundancy. A flashlight could potentially be such a life-saving implement (as well as so darn convenient) that I believe it foolish to not have at least two on your person at all times. With todays technology, there is positively NO excuse why a person can't have at least two lights on them at all times, even if it is "only" two Arc AAAs. I still need a few of those, BTW, Mr. Gransee! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I say "only" Arc AAAs since a brighter light is necessary for EDC in addition to an AAA, IMO.

Your average individual might be content to carry just one light, be it an Arc LS, AAA, or a maglite, however I don't think you will find many (if any) such individuals here.

There are many, many reasons to carry more than one light everyday. You could lose one. It could get broken. You may have to lend one to another person. The batteries in one or the other may die. Etc., etc, etc.

C'mon, we've all been b!tch-slapped by mean old Murphy at least a few times in life. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twakfl.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/whoopin.gif

That is why I do not consider the Arc LS to be the perfect EDC.

TWO LS's, now... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Warm Regards,
Drjones
 
I like the Princeton Tec Impact II body with a Rage head assembly. And NiMH AAAs. 1.5+ hours bright runtime to complement the Arc AAA on my keychain w/Mag Solitaire lanyard.
 
When I was working, the length of the light didn't matter much so I usually EDC a MM (but kept changing bulbs and batteries). Now (not working) I EDC an Infinity on keyring and a LS2 in a old knife holster. To me the LS is about the best compromise in size vs. light output while the Infinity is just for long run-time (if I needed it). I agree with Drjones that a person could EDC at least 2 lights with no problem. In my last job I had to be armed and felt uncomfortable if not so. Now it's the same with lights since you never know when it might be needed.
 
Why do people who EDC the LS say it is too large for keychain duty? With the twistie, it is a pretty small light. The thing is, you're probably carrying it EDC in your pocket; so how could it be too big for the keychain? Isn't that where your keys are? Is it just the combo of keys and LS in the same pocket that pushes it over the edge?

Once you get used to truly EDC'ing the LS, it's hard to be without one or settle for less output. I love my AAA, but use that inside the house now because I need the brighter output of the LS (I live in a low light rural environment).
 
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