what will do the job ?
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lasercrazy
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The Zeray is about 2,000 lumens brighter and has a much longer runtime (almost 3 times the runtime if my memory is correct). The zeray can throw as far as the thor but it's main advantage is the higher color temp and color rendering. The Barnburner is no longer available.
Sinjz
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If throw is what you want, I think the Polarian (sp?) is an attempt at copy the Maxabeam, for a few hundred bucks. Never seen one and know almost nothing about it, but just thought I throw that out there. 
Ra
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Hi nightbeam,
Indeed the HID's are more powerfull, but one thing needs to be mentioned:
In this case you need instand on capebillity!! The HID's need time to start up, some do this quite fast, but still need some 10 seconds!
Maxabeam does not even have the lumens-output of the 100watt halogens, but with its high surface-brightness and instant-on, its definitely a "shock and awe"- device. But this doesn't help you because of its prizetag!
The best I can think of: The standard 100-watt bulbs in spotlights mostly have lower surface-brightness compared with the top-projection bulbs of for example Osram..
The Osram HLX 64625 (12volts 100watts 3600lumens 50hrs bulblife) has about the highest lumens-output and surface-brightness possible (in the 100watt halogen world). And with a little overdrive, it will be a monster! (with only about 5 hours of bulblife left tho..)
So if you have the skills, mod your light with the 64625.
EDIT: 3000 uk pounds for a Maxabeam!!!!!??? Basic pakkage is about $1850 to my knowledge !!
Regards,
Ra.
Indeed the HID's are more powerfull, but one thing needs to be mentioned:
In this case you need instand on capebillity!! The HID's need time to start up, some do this quite fast, but still need some 10 seconds!
Maxabeam does not even have the lumens-output of the 100watt halogens, but with its high surface-brightness and instant-on, its definitely a "shock and awe"- device. But this doesn't help you because of its prizetag!
The best I can think of: The standard 100-watt bulbs in spotlights mostly have lower surface-brightness compared with the top-projection bulbs of for example Osram..
The Osram HLX 64625 (12volts 100watts 3600lumens 50hrs bulblife) has about the highest lumens-output and surface-brightness possible (in the 100watt halogen world). And with a little overdrive, it will be a monster! (with only about 5 hours of bulblife left tho..)
So if you have the skills, mod your light with the 64625.
EDIT: 3000 uk pounds for a Maxabeam!!!!!??? Basic pakkage is about $1850 to my knowledge !!
Regards,
Ra.
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lasercrazy
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If you replace the stock bulb with a higher wattage one make sure to put heavy gauge wire and a better battery in it.
Ken J. Good
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Consider any of these:
http://www.polarion-store.com/cat_polarion.cfm
I have one PXM-35P1 left in stock, which was Polarion's first offering. Great light for the price.
They do not take 10 seconds to warm up, they are instant strike with immediate, extreme light output.
http://www.polarion-store.com/cat_polarion.cfm
I have one PXM-35P1 left in stock, which was Polarion's first offering. Great light for the price.
They do not take 10 seconds to warm up, they are instant strike with immediate, extreme light output.
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XeRay
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The XeRay 50 watt produces about 3,000 lumens instant on and ramps up from there to over 5,000 lumens in about 15 seconds or so. CPF members get a $100 discount off standard price.
lotsalumens
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You asked what would "do the job", and my guess is that any of the sams club and Harbor Freight style HIDs would probably fit the bill. They are all over ebay for $60-$80 and would be much brighter & further throwing than your Thor. In terms of pure throw, some of these cheaper models may also outperform the much more expensive HIDs simply because they have larger reflectors. You should consider trying one before spending a lot on a high end light since it might be all you need.
Charles
Charles
Oooh now ya talking :twothumbs
Its the sort of thing on this link ?
http://www.hidfoglight.com/productsAndServices/hidSpotlight.html
35 watt sounds a little weak though :thinking: , but from what I have maniged to see from a few pics on here they do seem to out throw the 10000000cp thor.
My qestion now is are there any of these lowcost huge hid lamps above 35 watt ?
Its the sort of thing on this link ?
http://www.hidfoglight.com/productsAndServices/hidSpotlight.html
35 watt sounds a little weak though :thinking: , but from what I have maniged to see from a few pics on here they do seem to out throw the 10000000cp thor.
My qestion now is are there any of these lowcost huge hid lamps above 35 watt ?
lotsalumens
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Yes that's the kind of thing, though that one seems a little overpriced. I have a switchable 35w/50w light I built before these things were readily available commercially, and while I haven't tried a 75w light, I can say the difference between 35w and 50w is incremental and not that big. You only notice it as a slight difference. 75w should be another incremental step, but even a 35w light will blow away your thor.
Charles
p.s. I don't know any low cost HIDs that run at more than 35w.
Charles
p.s. I don't know any low cost HIDs that run at more than 35w.
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Re- can I boost the power of a 35watt hid to 50watt
If I get a costo hid or whatever they are now called, can I boost its throw with one of these boost thingys
http://www.xenonvalot.com/boost.html
Any thoughts ?
Nightbeam
If I get a costo hid or whatever they are now called, can I boost its throw with one of these boost thingys
http://www.xenonvalot.com/boost.html
Any thoughts ?
Nightbeam
lotsalumens
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I suppose you could, but honestly it's not worth the effort and expense to boost a 35w light to 50w. You are talking several hundred dollars for a 15 watt increase, and you may not even notice much of a visual difference when you are done.
Charles
Charles
XeRay
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Thats a very generalized statement. 35 watts (bulb input) HID provides typically 91 lumens per watt for a 3200 lumen output. A TRUE 50 watt to the bulb system produces about 106 lumens per watt providing about 5300 lumens. Thats about a 65% increase in output over a 35 watt system.
Yes, 50 watt HID is more efficient than 35 watt about 16% more. 75 watt systems produce about 110 lumens per watt yielding WELL OVER 8,000 lumens.
If you are talking the Auerswald 35/50, maybe the output is somewhat less than 50 watts to the bulb in the boosted mode.
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lotsalumens
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Nighbeam asked about putting a 50w ballast in a 35w light, which I have done, and the difference is incremental. I am not commenting on a true 50w bulb and ballast system, however the 65% increase you mentioned is also incremental. Remember that visual perception of "brightness" is essentially logarithmic and even a doubling of output will not produce as much of a perceived difference as one might think. Whether it is worth the $829 ($600 euros) they are charging for the ballast on the site he referenced is up to him, but it would certainly make sense to try out a $70 35w hid and see if it meets his needs. I contend that the big difference here is going to be the switch form the incandescent thor to the HID with its higher efficiency and superior throw.
Speaking of throw, which was one of the criteria, reflector size is the thing to look for. The link below is relevant to this discussion. Note how a cheap costco HID compares to other HIDs:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kenshiro2/hid2/35comp.html
Charles
p.s. This isn't a discussion about the value of the XeRay. From what I have read on these forums I gather the XeRay is a great light and has features and build quality that make them more worth a higher price. The $70 hid gives you a plastic body, cheaper components, etc.
Speaking of throw, which was one of the criteria, reflector size is the thing to look for. The link below is relevant to this discussion. Note how a cheap costco HID compares to other HIDs:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kenshiro2/hid2/35comp.html
Charles
p.s. This isn't a discussion about the value of the XeRay. From what I have read on these forums I gather the XeRay is a great light and has features and build quality that make them more worth a higher price. The $70 hid gives you a plastic body, cheaper components, etc.
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XeRay
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If that is the price, it is a total waste of money for what is being provided. "Highway robbery"
frogs3
Enlightened
What is the value of the items/livestock being poached?
Add this into the equation and a true quality HID starts to make economic sense.
My bias: I have a XeRay 75 W and IMHO it is about the best balanced, well-made high output light I could buy. The 50 W gets great reviews on CPF, and the difference in output is probably noticeable only "side-by-side".
If you don't want to be buying another and yet another light, save money and just get the reliable best one now.
Dan's not pimping me to say this. I just feel that I invested my cash well in his product.
-HAK
Add this into the equation and a true quality HID starts to make economic sense.
My bias: I have a XeRay 75 W and IMHO it is about the best balanced, well-made high output light I could buy. The 50 W gets great reviews on CPF, and the difference in output is probably noticeable only "side-by-side".
If you don't want to be buying another and yet another light, save money and just get the reliable best one now.
Dan's not pimping me to say this. I just feel that I invested my cash well in his product.
-HAK
Get a lightforce 240 blitz has a 9 inch reflector,milwaukee v28 lithium-ion battery pack and charger,64655hlx bulb(24 volt 250 watt 10000lumen) from bulb connection $2.70. Clean bulb with pure alcohol before lighting. Should be about 15min. runtime. Have not used mine hot off charger yet,may work hot. Mine works fine with rested battery. Connect the two outside spade connectors on battery to the light.leave center connector alone,it is used in charging process. Or get a dc-dc converter and run from car. A 35watt sams club HID light is about 3200 lumens. My light is 10000 stock and is overdriven some. This battery pack has 7 emoli batterys in it. If you get 3 more batterys and wire in series with the pack you can use this bulb;64663(36v 400watt 16000 lumens). You would need another charger to do the loose emoli's. They charge same as li-po batterys. My 64663 bulbs should be here today and I will try the 36v setup. Will be starting with about 42v. 25% over on 36v is 45v so 42 should work fine. Should also be about 15 min. runtime. The v28 battery pack weighs 1 1/2 to 2 pounds,the blitz light is almost weightless. A large hid light weighs 8 lb. If anyone builds one of these they will NOT be disapointed. Queenslander did the same with lead acid batterys, much heaver.
data_lore
Newly Enlightened
You got attacked by a poacher with one of these?!!! Heavens above, where do you live? I'm in Herefordshire, and they're known to carry knives (at times) but not flaslights like this!
Anyways, I just bought a Wolf Eyes Boxer 24W in case things get a little dodgy on our fishery. Bright enough to do the job I would have thought. Else, get a SGC, there's no deterrent like a shotgun over your shoulder. Hope you don't encounter any more ppl like these.
Rich.
Anyways, I just bought a Wolf Eyes Boxer 24W in case things get a little dodgy on our fishery. Bright enough to do the job I would have thought. Else, get a SGC, there's no deterrent like a shotgun over your shoulder. Hope you don't encounter any more ppl like these.
Rich.
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