which light is comparable to M6?
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MikeLip
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In a production, off the shelf light? I don't think there is one in the same size. Perhaps one of the big SLA spotlights if you wanted to get out of the small, easy to carry catagory.
EV_007
Enlightened
Agreed, in terms of off the shelf build quality and output, I cannot think of a comparable contender.
HIDs do not count, but thats the only type that may qualify if we had to stretch a bit. Their slow start up and high color temp is the reason why IMHO.
HIDs do not count, but thats the only type that may qualify if we had to stretch a bit. Their slow start up and high color temp is the reason why IMHO.
Closest would be one of the big multi Cree lights (you didn't specify you wanted incan) but the better ones cost almost as much as an M6. You could also get something like a Mag85 (powerful rechargeable 3d M*g-based incan) for a lot less than an M6, or just slap a WA 01160 bulb into a stock Magcharger. None of the above will be nearly as tough as an M6.
PhantomPhoton
Flashlight Enthusiast
Not quite off the shelf, but an ROP or 5761 mod easily competes with an M6.
A Wolf Eyes Rattlesnake with extender and Lumens Factory EO lamp assembly will come close in some areas.
Thats all that I can think of without going HID or LED.
A Wolf Eyes Rattlesnake with extender and Lumens Factory EO lamp assembly will come close in some areas.
Thats all that I can think of without going HID or LED.
MikeLip
Flashlight Enthusiast
You *could* go with the 10X Dominator. Rechargeable and two levels, so it's like having two lights in your hand. Roughly the same price as one M6. Well, plus $50 for the charger, but still...
Illum
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mdhammack
Newly Enlightened
As mentioned before the maglite ROP would be closest, could build one for less than 100 bucks. I think the low (11W) is about 600 lumens???
I have tested my Rattlesnake (as above) with Grox's M6 and there's not a lot of difference, it was about 6 weeks ago and I don't remember the details, just that there wasn't much difference.
Norm
Grox
Flashlight Enthusiast
I think the M6 was noticeably brighter, even though it was running on about 50% depleted batteries. It was close though. The beam distribution was different too wasn't it? My memory isn't that good though. Am I remembering this right Norm?
For what it's worth I am quite impressed by the wolf-eyes offerings (e.g. rattlesnake) even though I haven't had a chance to look over them in depth.
Perhaps we should compare the two photographically at the next meet
In my mind, there's more to the M6 than just the output though.
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tussery
Enlightened
Yeah, there is the great machine work, the shock isolated bezel, and the fact that the body almost feels like it forms to your hand.
In terms of output the ROP Lo is on par with the 250lm Surefire bulb and the ROP Hi is on par with the 500lm bulb giving the slight edge to Surefire in the Lo bulb and the slight edge to the Hi in the ROP. ROP's are a great way to get a poor mans M6 IMO.
Now a well built Mag85 will be a brighter light than an M6. I like the output of my Mag85 but it is still not M6 in ergonomics and beauty. I will buy another M6 again (sold it to buy an iPhone) when I have the money for one. But my Mag85 will do until then.
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Gee Paul I'm at least twice your age and you think I can remember the detailsI think the M6 was noticeably brighter, even though it was running on about 50% depleted batteries. It was close though. The beam distribution was different too wasn't it? My memory isn't that good though. Am I remembering this right Norm?
For what it's worth I am quite impressed by the wolf-eyes offerings (e.g. rattlesnake) even though I haven't had a chance to look over them in depth.
Perhaps we should compare the two photographically at the next meet
In my mind, there's more to the M6 than just the output though.
.We will repeat the test at the next meet and take photos. I do remember the difference would have been in favour of the M6 but not by a huge margin.
Happy New Year Paul and all the other readers of this thread. :buddies:
Norm
A ROP-Hi is very bright, I'm guessing over 500 lumens out the front. With a MOP it will shine for a block or more. It can be built for $100 or so, starting from nothing. You may find the bulbs don't last very long, depending on how hard you push them. The good news is that the bulbs run about $8 for one hi/lo package. In a life and death situation, I'd rather have the M6 but for everything else, the ROP is great at 1/3 the cost and rechargeable.
Basic parts:
Maglight (I use a 2D) $12 on sale otherwise $16
Reflector $15-30 depending on source
Pelican Big D 3854 bulb kit $8 +/-
Batteries ??? several options. I currently use 2 D L-ions $31
UCL or Borofloat lens $6
Charger ??? Lots of options from $12 to $100s
That's about it. I did the tailcap resistance fix when I was running 2 18650s but I have put the spring back to original now that I'm running 2 D size batteries. I also did the switch fix. I really didn't notice any difference. If I were to build one again I would get Kia's 2D-size battery and charger kit, and skip the switch and tailcap resistance fixes.
Basic parts:
Maglight (I use a 2D) $12 on sale otherwise $16
Reflector $15-30 depending on source
Pelican Big D 3854 bulb kit $8 +/-
Batteries ??? several options. I currently use 2 D L-ions $31
UCL or Borofloat lens $6
Charger ??? Lots of options from $12 to $100s
That's about it. I did the tailcap resistance fix when I was running 2 18650s but I have put the spring back to original now that I'm running 2 D size batteries. I also did the switch fix. I really didn't notice any difference. If I were to build one again I would get Kia's 2D-size battery and charger kit, and skip the switch and tailcap resistance fixes.
What about the WF-500 with the new LF lamp along with LG 18650 cells? That would cost well under $100 and would probably be very close to the output of the MN21.
I remember seeing beamshots of the WF-500 and the M6 with the MN21 and they were pretty close. I have to assume the new LF lamp will blow the stock WF-500 lamp away.
I remember seeing beamshots of the WF-500 and the M6 with the MN21 and they were pretty close. I have to assume the new LF lamp will blow the stock WF-500 lamp away.
Grox
Flashlight Enthusiast
How did you come to that conclusion? Which lamp assembly are you talking about? The MN21 is about 1000 bulb lumens, whereas the HO-R5 (if that's the lamp assembly you're talking about) is about 630 bulb lumens.
I was just going by pictures I saw a long time ago that compared the MN21 to the R500 Scorpion (pretty much the same as the WF-500). The MN21 was brighter but the R500 wasn't too far behind. I just figured with a LF lamp it might be a little closer. Maybe the EO-R5 would be a better comparison with the MN21, if it is ever released.
leukos
Flashlight Enthusiast
A true 3 million candle power spotlight would be close, and much cheaper, and rechargeable, but definitely not the same size.
