XP-G modded Gladius

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well i never tried the xm-l with the stock reflector. originally i bought some mcgizmo reflectors to use for this project, but i couldn't get the focus right, so i went for optics. the xm-l beam pattern on the optic was a bit floody, and i prefered the neutral tint. it should work fine if you dont want as much throw though, i remember looking up the transmittance of the xm-l with the optic that i used, and it seemed to be pretty good
 
OK, well the XM-L is in !

This was a Gladius that had previously been modded with an R4 neutral XP-G. Very nice, but the beam was a bit ringy. The mod included a light OP reflector, which looks as though it was originally intended for an XR-E, and I think the XP-G was sitting a little too low, hence the rings. A couple of quick experiments showed me that the XM-L would just fit inside the opening (in fact, this was a bonus, as it meant that it was easy to get it centred).

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As you can see, whoever had done the previous mod was quite generous with the thermal epoxy. It took half-an-hour of Dremeling to grind the old star out. The worst moment is when you first realise that you're not going to get it out without destroying the old LED. As soon as you've knackered the LED you can set to grinding away. Eventually the old star came out, and I was able to clean off all the old thermosetting compound from the brass mount.

The new star is in, and I used the same trick of repositioning the O-ring to the front to get the reflector to sit tight against the circuit board. It's in with a much thinner layer of silver thermal compound behind the star, in case I ever want to swap it again.

There was one hairy moment when I thought that I'd lost the little ball bearing, but luckily I had followed my previous advice about working over a tray, and there it was, in the corner of the tray. Phew !

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Centring the reflector was much easier this time. Because the XM-L dome is larger than the old XP-G, it actually sits higher in the reflector, much closer to the position of the XR-E it was originally intended for.

A good check of centring and focus is to look back at the emitter from a couple of metres away. If you can see the yellow of the emitter phosphor appearing uniformly all around the reflector, that's a good sign that everything is lined up correctly.

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As expected, the beam from the XP-G is broader. It's well focused, with no donut and no rings and a smooth transition from hotspot to spill. There is a slight difference in tint, with a creamier hotspot and more blue in the corona - a bit reminiscent of the Osram Golden Dragon pattern - but this is only really noticeable on a white wall.


The wider beam is very useful outdoors - this thing really lights up the entire back garden ! Not decided whether to mod my other Gladius or not - I'm really pleased with the pure white tint of the XP-G in that one, and although the XM-L is clearly brighter, it's very handy having the choice of the narrower or wider beams. So I might just keep them as they are.
 
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Thanks for the beam shots. My XM-L mod has the same beam pattern but with "Cree rings" on a white wall since I used a smooth reflector from an R2 drop in. No Cree rings at distances of 6 feet or more. The smooth reflector throws a bit more but not noticeable unless you compare it side by side. The stock Luxeon III reflector works with the SSC P4 but not with a Cree R2. Used a Cree R2 drop in reflector for both R2 and XM-L mods. Used an R5 drop in reflector for an R5 mod for best throw and beam pattern.
 
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Moonshadow, where did you get the OP reflector. I would like to get one and mod my Gladius with an XML.
 
I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me about this.
Can anyone please post the pictures again, so we, the regular mortals, can be able to mod our Gladius as well?

Thank you and sorry for necro, but i can't find the damn pictures antwhere :(
 
I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me about this.
Can anyone please post the pictures again, so we, the regular mortals, can be able to mod our Gladius as well?

Thank you and sorry for necro, but i can't find the damn pictures antwhere :(

My suggestion on a Gladius mod is to remove just the old Lux LED, leaving the star in-place. Doing that will eliminate any need to trim the risers on the back side of the plastic reflector and avoid issues with centering the LED in the reflector opening. Basically, the only thing that you will change is the LED. Nothing else gets cut, trimmed, removed, or otherwise changed.

The key is to mount your XP-G (or XP-G2) on an 8mm MCPCB and then shim the mounted board to the same LED die height as the Lux LED. That will put the XP-G at the proper focus in the reflector. With the stock star still installed, it is an easy matter to center and thermally glue the shimmed XP-G onto the Gladius heat sink. Then, you need to cut some copper strips to emulate the Lux LED "legs" that connect the LED+ and LED- to the star. Cut and bend the copper strips and solder them to the XP-G and the star, and re-assemble your Gladius.
 
Thank you Justin,
You mean like this?

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And this new combo led/board goes glued on the existing star (after the old led removal)
using the thermal epoxy?
 
Thank you Justin,
You mean like this?

100_2035-2.jpg


And this new combo led/board goes glued on the existing star (after the old led removal)
using the thermal epoxy?

Yes, reflow the XP-G onto a datiLED MCPCB (or a Sandwich Shoppe MCPCB). IIRC, for a datiLED MCPCB, you then need a shim of about 0.06" thickness to raise up the LED die to the same height as for the Luxeon III emitter that you are replacing. If you have a metal punch, you should be able to punch out some shims of copper or aluminum sheet. Thermal epoxy the shims to the MCPCB to get to the desired height. You might be able to punch out a single shim of 0.06" thickness, but it is definitely easier to punch out a shim from thinner sheet such as 0.03".

The existing star in the Gladius has a circular hole in the center, within which the LED sits on the Gladius heat sink. That hole is probably about 10mm in diameter. That is one reason why keeping the star is helpful. You can easily center the replacement XP-G by eye.

This is the view of the stock Lux III emitter sitting in the circular opening of the star:
GladiusopenedLuxIIIview.jpg


Note the LED + and LED- "legs" that connect the Lux III to the star. Those are the connections that you will need to emulate using strips of copper, bent appropriately.

Once you de-solder the legs, pop off the LED, and clean up the thermal epoxy, you should have a nice heat sink surface to glue down your XP-G.

As I mentioned before, the advantage of retaining the Luxeon star is that everything is already centered for you. Once you have your XP-G2 on a shim of the right height, all you need to do is glue it in the hole in the star and that makes it very easy to re-center the new LED. You can do it by eye, or you can drop the reflector over the LED to self-center it. Once centered, let the epoxy cure.

The next photo shows the bottom face of the reflector. The "ribs" that you see surrounding the reflector opening fit in the narrow gap between the LuxIII case and the edge of the hole in the star. That will give you your self-centering action. The ribs are not continuous. The gaps provide clearance for the LED+ and LED- legs. Also notice that one of the three reflector feet is clipped off (the one at about 12 o'clock). That's because that foot would normally drop into the recess right where the red and black driver wires cross above in the first photo. The other two feet sit in the recesses at about 1 o'clock and 5 o'clock.
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Once you have the XP-G/XP-G2 on an 8mm board and shimmed up, it is physically just like the stock LuxIII, except it doesn't have the LED legs to connect to the star. What I did was cut some strips from copper sheet and bend the strips to emulate the LED legs of the LuxIII:
GladiusXP-G2withcoppertabs.jpg


Reassemble and you're done. The copper is thin enough to clear the edge of the reflector. Regular wire is too thick to clear the reflector edge.
GladiusXP-G2mod.jpg


The Gladius uses a two-board driver:
Gladiusdriversandwich.jpg


Here is a shot of the top board of the two-board driver:
Gladiusdrivertopboard.jpg


Looks like the Gladius uses a TPS64200 step down controller! Interestingly, the datasheet says that the recommended max supply voltage is 6.5V, with an absolute max of 7V. 6.5V is right at the open circuit voltage for two 123A cells in series, which doesn't seem to offer a lot of safety margin. However, several folks on CPF, including myself, have run the Gladius on 2x16340. You would think that with an absolute max of 7V that the driver would instantly fry itself. So perhaps the TPS64200 is conservatively rated. I've also successfully run my Gladius on 2xLFP123A.

The sense resistor also looks like it is 0.10 ohms, giving a nominal drive current of 952mA. I measured something like 985mA drive for one Gladius, so the calculated value is pretty consistent. Lux III Vf seems to be typically about 3.8V, while XP-G/XP-G2/XM-L/XM-L2 all seem to be in the 3.0V range. So you get a big jump in light output along with a 20% decrease in power draw.

The other components look like a 5uH inductor, ST Electronics STPS2L25U Schottky diode, Kermet 10^7 pF 10V tantalum cap, and some unknown brand of MOSFET.

The orangish ribbon cable seen above connects the driver board sandwich to three Hall effect sensors (only two shown below) that are positioned at the bottom of the light (at the tailcap end):
GladiusdriverHalleffectsensors.jpg


This might be a useful tip. If you do lose that annoying ball bearing, an expedient substitute is to cut off a short stub from a 3mm metric machine screw or a #6 machine screw. All you need is a chunk of metal to fit into the ball bearing recess to keep the heat sink from twisting around (risking shearing off the driver-to-LED hookup wires and possibly the ribbon cable) when you screw down the head onto the body.
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Excellent explanations to say the least. Thank you Justin,
i think i have all i need to start the work. One last question please:
Do you know any IR Led (850nm) that can be with the same specs like XP-G2? This way i can follow the same procedure for my build.
I am thinking to make a second star with everything installed but instead of visible light to have IR.
 
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