MAGLite 6D-Cell (Krypton vs. Xenon Lamp)??

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moviles said:
:ohgeez: lol is not much impressive the amount of light for a so great one 6d flashlight

maybe you can buy some 1xaa more powerful
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so what, for goodness' sake!

The thread title told you what the thead is about, and I for one am getting fed up with constant snitching from LED bigots.

That's one more worthless poster added to my fast-growing ignore list.
 
I fully agree with Ictorana...

Of course, a well driven MC-E will beat most of these setups, AND is much smaller! But what's the quality of this light? <Brrrrr>
Just give me the pleasant incan-light, this is much better for my eyes :green:

(And I can judge it, as I both have an MC-E light and numerous incans...)

Timmo.
 
moviles said:
:ohgeez:
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:shakehead OT, baiting, anything else?

lctorana said:
The thread title told you what the thead is about...
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+1.

Here's a tip, m: If you don't have anything to contribute here, don't.

Edit: Because otherwise, you just p!ss off the people here who place a higher value on the aspects of illumination that Incans do better at.
 
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calm down, I'm not led fanatic

maybe I'm only fanatic of lumens/size ratio

I only say the power/size ratio of the flashlight of this tread its low

the led technology have a big problem: the heat.

and the hid technology need large room for ballast

the incandescence technology have some advantages too
for me the best thing about the incandescence technology its that:
it can work direct drived and don't have the heat problem.

maybe we can drive one hypothetical incandescence bulb with maybe 5 x26650 a123sistems batteries (70 amp max) and more than 1000w and 20000 lumens in the same body of mag 6D
 
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moviles... if there are any more baiting posts from you, your posting privileges will be withdrawn. Consider yourself lucky that this is just a warning. You will not receive another one.
 
Camping with my Mag is awesome. Simple, reliable & with a Huge LONG runtime with my D size NiMH 10000mAh batteries.

Its a little heavy, but when I want power in a lite weight form I have my Borealis which is a blast.
 
...just found a great bulb for my 2D Mag running off 6 Nimh with a couple of cheap battery adapters. the Radio Shack HPR50 - 5.2V, 850mA rated halogen. it produces just an awesome tight white beam - the same color as with the Fenix TK20. i could easily see the beam shining on a structure 1/4 mile away. the eneloops i used were at least 80 - 90% charged. if this bulb survives being run (after a couple hours) off a fresh charge - this is a keeper. :twothumbs
 
nope, it flashed - good for 5 nimh only. (back to a 5 cell krypton) :thumbsup:
 
I checked the Radio Shack website for that bulb, I was surprised to see that they were asking $4 for it, and it has a pointy tip which I find provides a poorer-shaped hotspot. I think a better bet might be one of the (higher voltage) Xenon ROP 'low' bulbs, only $8 on sale right now, and you get a -H bulb for 'grins&giggles' as well. I set up a 2D flashlight with a few different bulbs of this class on 2x 18650 LiIons and they were awesome.
 
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i've been considering the Li-ions (2x 18650) with a 3854 bulb. have a 2c Mag sitting around for that. (for sometime in the future). like the size of the 2c - think it'll be perfect with the high bulb. :rolleyes:

now talking about my ideal 2d Mag - it would be with 8aa eneloops running a 6D krypton Mag bulb (really like how the beam spreads out as apposed to the Mag xenon along with the idea of 2+ hour runtimes). it's bright too, definitely in the 200 lumen range. the only problem is that i just don't know where to find any 4aa > D adapters at any reasonable price if they exist.
 
I have an old Maglite 6D which I for the moment use with six NiMh cells. 7,2V will not provide an impressing brightness, approximately 90-100 lumens.
But there are many other better alternatives. For example a ROP HO 3854 bulb which will provide 1000lumens or so.
Are the stock crypton or Xenon bulbs really attractive when you can find bulbs of that brightness? Yes, I can understand the runtime will be much shorter. But to justify carrying around a 6D I want higher brightness than 233 lumens. I am soon going to modify the 6D to be used with a ROP HO 3854 bulb.

Regards, Patric
 
Swedpat said:
I am soon going to modify the 6D to be used with a ROP HO 3854 bulb.
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Such a modification is neither expensive nor difficult. Swap the bulb to the 3854-H, swap the reflector for an aluminium one and swap the lens for a glass one. Once done you have a light with output befitting something of its size.

My 6D isn't my brightest Maglite - but it does have a decent output. With the standard bulb it would be my dullest Maglite and one of my dullest lights overall, despite being both the biggest and the heaviest. I regard the standard bulb as just silly - if that was the output I wanted then I would hardly need to carry such a big light.

With the 3854-H my 6D is brighter than my 1 x 18650 MC-E light - with a standard bulb it would be shamed by the much smaller light.
 
seatrue said:
nope, it flashed - good for 5 nimh only. (back to a 5 cell krypton) :thumbsup:
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Try a Philips HPX-53 bulb. You can get a 2 pack for $5 from Dorcy Direct. It pulls more current than any Mag or Radio Shack bulb, yet not so much as to be hot enough to melt your standard lens or reflector. It’s rated .975A at 6.0v at spec, and pulls 1.08A at 7.2v with 6 NiMH or 2 RCR18650s. Based on what I have read about it, and considering how many fresh sets of 3xCR123s it has lived thru, I’m certain that it would be able to take 7 NiMHs for around 1.2A at 8.4v = 10 watts of very overdriven output.
 
Howecollc said:
Try a Philips HPX-53 bulb. You can get a 2 pack for $5 from Dorcy Direct. It pulls more current than any Mag or Radio Shack bulb, yet not so much as to be hot enough to melt your standard lens or reflector. It’s rated .975A at 6.0v at spec, and pulls 1.08A at 7.2v with 6 NiMH or 2 RCR18650s. Based on what I have read about it, and considering how many fresh sets of 3xCR123s it has lived thru, I’m certain that it would be able to take 7 NiMHs for around 1.2A at 8.4v = 10 watts of very overdriven output.
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Do you know how many lumens Philips HPX-53 will provide with 7,2V?

Regards, Patric
 
Swedpat said:
Do you know how many lumens Philips HPX-53 will provide with 7,2V?

Regards, Patric
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No, sorry. I don't ever try to quote lumen output of anything due to not having any way to measure it, and also because of the so many different ways that lumens are measured/quoted here on CPF. That's why I tend to list wattages and presence or lack of overdrive, instead.
 
Howecollc said:
No, sorry. I don't ever try to quote lumen output of anything due to not having any way to measure it, and also because of the so many different ways that lumens are measured/quoted here on CPF. That's why I tend to list wattages and presence or lack of overdrive, instead.
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Using a luxmeter at a table and shining on the ceiling you can get good comparing values for different light. Then you could compare to the standard Mag bulb and see the percentual difference of brightness. Yes, I know that some highly object against this method, but I am personally convinced that a careful measuring using the ceiling bounce test is fair.

Regards, Patric
 
Swedpat said:
Using a luxmeter at a table and shining on the ceiling you can get good comparing values for different light. Then you could compare to the standard Mag bulb and see the percentual difference of brightness. Yes, I know that some highly object against this method, but I am personally convinced that a careful measuring using the ceiling bounce test is fair.

Regards, Patric
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Anytime I describe a light as being "brighter or whiter" than some known standard "ex. Surefire 8AX", it is based on shining each of the lights at the ceiling in a small storage room in my house. I then basically look around the room at boxes, writing, etc. and compare how they look. Don't have a lux-meter though.
 
Howecollc said:
Anytime I describe a light as being "brighter or whiter" than some known standard "ex. Surefire 8AX", it is based on shining each of the lights at the ceiling in a small storage room in my house. I then basically look around the room at boxes, writing, etc. and compare how they look. Don't have a lux-meter though.
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In the beginning of my "flashoholity" I wanted to know the total output of lights, and then realized that shining to the ceiling and look down makes a much better way than look at the projected beam at the wall. This because of the different beam sizes and profiles, who can confuse.

But I discovered that comparing lights with a big difference of the colour tint made it more difficult for the eyes. If the brightness difference wasn't very big I could not be sure which one is brighter. Then I got the tip of a lightmeter, and think this is good because it measures the difference undependent of tint. Also the lightmeter can measure the percentual difference which is difficult for the eye, which according to what I read doesn't estimate the differences proportionally.

By the way: how big would you estimate the difference to be between Philips HPX-53 and Maglites crypton or Xenon bulb? For example, does it feels like 1,5x or twice?

Regards, Patric
 
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the Philips HPX-53 as mentioned looks excellent - just what i was looking for. and just ordered a couple packs. thanks for the tip on that one! pretty good price and shipping rates too.

as far as its output goes, i think it should be at around 250 bulb lumens at 7.2 volts of fresh nimh. (just a guesstimate - but has to be around half as bright as a 3854L @ 7.2 volts drawing 2 amps if not more based on the setup)
 
Swedpat said:
By the way: how big would you estimate the difference to be between Philips HPX-53 and Maglites crypton or Xenon bulb? For example, does it feels like 1,5x or twice?
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I'm going to say that the percentage difference in output between the HPX-53 at 7.2v and the 6 cell Mag Krypton bulb at 7.2v, is similar to the percentage difference in output between a 2D Mag and a 4D Mag. Would you call that 1.5x?
 
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