jtr1962
Flashaholic
Sorry about the long thread title here but there are two sides to this coin, both of which make for interesting reading. Many here have said 5mm LEDs are unsuitable for general lighting applications as they tend to degrade and color shift too quickly, sometimes within weeks. Here is an article supporting that point of view, calling for a outright ban on using small, indicator-type LEDs for consumer general lighting. The most interesting part is this paragraph:
If we don't pull together as an industry in combating the junk, consumers and small commercial users are in for a rude awaking. Not all LEDs are created equal and that message needs to get out into the consumer and commercial markets ASAP. Before we ever see LED light bulbs on a store shelf, the merchandise buyers should demand that any "LED light bulb" be US DOE Energy Star compliant. If not, they should insist on seeing the independent test data that verifies compliance. They should run all new LED lamp suppliers through a continuous 1,000 hours (6 weeks) "life test" to see if it maintains the same color, or if there is any color-shift compared to one fresh out of a box. Yes, they should even ask for the data on the drive current each LED will see, and compare that to the device ratings. Of course, they aren't going to do those things... so the next best alternative is to take the "easy" approach and just say "NO" to those 5-mm LED "cluster" lamps and fixtures and "YES" to buying only US-DOE Energy Star compliant luminaires and modules! Caveat emptor!
Now along comes Nichia in response to this article, as discussed here. More to the point, Dr. Daniel Doxsee, General Manager, Nichia America, said:
It turns out that recognizing that there were plenty of non-capable 3mm and 5mm packaged devices out there, Nichia set out a while ago to build lighting-capable versions, and succeeded with their DS series. I had missed this, Bob had missed this, and it looks like a good chunk of the industry missed this. Since mid-2007 Nichia has offered a line of 3mm and 5mm packaged white and color LEDs that incorporate proprietary resin and other design features that get the heat out, stand up to the heat that's left, and last 40,000 hours at rated drive currents (or longer if you drive them more gently).
Note: There appeared to be a typo in the article where 40,000 was written as 40,0000. I assumed they meant 40,000 rather than 400,000 as a 400,000 hour life isn't common even with power LEDs.
Interestingly, these comments seem to be borne out by a recent test here of Nichia 5mm's. So it does indeed seem that some 5mm LEDs are perfectly suitable for general lighting applications. While I love power LEDs and they would be my first choice for most fixed lighting uses, I can see the advantages to using 5mm types in certain applications. Now at least we know the Nichias are up to the task. And in my mind this justifies the generally higher selling price of these versus cheap eBay LEDs. Also of note are that Cree's 5mms seem to hold up well in lifetime tests. So all indicator LEDs are not created equal after all!
If we don't pull together as an industry in combating the junk, consumers and small commercial users are in for a rude awaking. Not all LEDs are created equal and that message needs to get out into the consumer and commercial markets ASAP. Before we ever see LED light bulbs on a store shelf, the merchandise buyers should demand that any "LED light bulb" be US DOE Energy Star compliant. If not, they should insist on seeing the independent test data that verifies compliance. They should run all new LED lamp suppliers through a continuous 1,000 hours (6 weeks) "life test" to see if it maintains the same color, or if there is any color-shift compared to one fresh out of a box. Yes, they should even ask for the data on the drive current each LED will see, and compare that to the device ratings. Of course, they aren't going to do those things... so the next best alternative is to take the "easy" approach and just say "NO" to those 5-mm LED "cluster" lamps and fixtures and "YES" to buying only US-DOE Energy Star compliant luminaires and modules! Caveat emptor!
Now along comes Nichia in response to this article, as discussed here. More to the point, Dr. Daniel Doxsee, General Manager, Nichia America, said:
It turns out that recognizing that there were plenty of non-capable 3mm and 5mm packaged devices out there, Nichia set out a while ago to build lighting-capable versions, and succeeded with their DS series. I had missed this, Bob had missed this, and it looks like a good chunk of the industry missed this. Since mid-2007 Nichia has offered a line of 3mm and 5mm packaged white and color LEDs that incorporate proprietary resin and other design features that get the heat out, stand up to the heat that's left, and last 40,000 hours at rated drive currents (or longer if you drive them more gently).
Note: There appeared to be a typo in the article where 40,000 was written as 40,0000. I assumed they meant 40,000 rather than 400,000 as a 400,000 hour life isn't common even with power LEDs.
Interestingly, these comments seem to be borne out by a recent test here of Nichia 5mm's. So it does indeed seem that some 5mm LEDs are perfectly suitable for general lighting applications. While I love power LEDs and they would be my first choice for most fixed lighting uses, I can see the advantages to using 5mm types in certain applications. Now at least we know the Nichias are up to the task. And in my mind this justifies the generally higher selling price of these versus cheap eBay LEDs. Also of note are that Cree's 5mms seem to hold up well in lifetime tests. So all indicator LEDs are not created equal after all!